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iverglas

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241. did you have something to actually say?

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 03:31 PM

Mar 2012

I stated that once-current and former "DUers" spend time on the internet "spewing funny venom about actual progressive DUers like, yes, yours truly".

Are you saying that's false?

Try googling my name.

Here's a good one:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/778683__ARCHIVED_THREAD____Just_registered_at_DU_and_am_now_behind_enemy_lines_________.html&page=2
I just thought it would be a neat place to troll around. Not sure how long it will be before I get kicked out (I'm going to try to infiltrate these a**holes as long as I can). Those hippies are just nuts on that wacky site.
I've been posting on their "Guns" forum as iverglas for some time and never had a problem.
i thought iverglas was some canadian cunt of a bitch that wanted no one to have weapons ever.....so now you tell me its an arfcommer?
Good cover, huh?
damn i guess so. i remember wanting to skull fuck you with rage while a stick of dynamite stuk in yer ass slowly counted down to detonation with a mildly wet old timey fuse....

Forgive the language and all; it isn't mine. I guess that thread demonstrated both my points pretty well -- a bucketful of right-wing gun militant assholes talking about posting at DU, and posting their thoughts about, yes, moi.

Happy?

Oh good, I've just seen that my identity has been stolen to put a fake signature on an online petition ... again ...

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the number of posts saying "this in no way is a defense of Zimmerman" is astounding [View all] scheming daemons Mar 2012 OP

Hear hear. Chorophyll Mar 2012 #1

This in no way is a defense of Zimmerman, but... Liberal Veteran Mar 2012 #2

What if there wasnt that particular law in this case? Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #32

If there wasn't a SYG law, it seems less likely that one could avoid.... Liberal Veteran Mar 2012 #56

Unlikely. X_Digger Mar 2012 #59

Really does not matter what law "is" -- it's how those who carry guns in public perceive it. Hoyt Mar 2012 #180

Nope, think it was totally intended lark Mar 2012 #88

Bullshit. The law and the act are entirely separate dmallind Mar 2012 #3

the law enabled the act....no arrests, no grand jury....nada spanone Mar 2012 #17

More like a gross misrepresentation of the law... Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #27

Not in any way, shape or form. PavePusher Mar 2012 #47

your interpretation doesn't matter DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #136

a grand jury was covened two days ago. SemperEadem Mar 2012 #64

Don't bother me with facts, son, I'm on a roll here! X_Digger Mar 2012 #65

lol! SemperEadem Mar 2012 #67

stay tuned. dmallind Mar 2012 #85

Lol ummm except that the law was the EXACT LAW that the POLICE cited DFab420 Mar 2012 #19

Disagree. Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #39

The police still cited this specific law as the reason Zimmerman wasn't arrested. Gore1FL Mar 2012 #58

They said they didn't have probable cause. We're not going to repeal the 5th amendment. X_Digger Mar 2012 #68

Probable cause for what? Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #73

Probable cause for arrest. (It's always required, regardless of SYG.) X_Digger Mar 2012 #76

How sad and frustrating for the family this must be. Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #83

No doubt. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #84

"Probable cause" considering their interpretation of "Get a Gun and Stand Your Ground." Hoyt Mar 2012 #182

And they are still wrong cause that law doesn't even apply to this situation (even when it was used) Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #70

and still hasn't been arrested when lots of evidence has been presented. AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #42

stay tuned. dmallind Mar 2012 #87

Irrational love of guns lark Mar 2012 #91

Was it irrational for that boy to be afraid of that gun, I don't follow, a gun is by design deadly Dragonfli Mar 2012 #165

Ah yes, there's that line I love so much... RevStPatrick Mar 2012 #190

Because ... Straw Man Mar 2012 #228

And there's that other line I love so much... RevStPatrick Mar 2012 #238

this in no way is a defense of Zimmerman phleshdef Mar 2012 #4

It is disturbing - nt Ohio Joe Mar 2012 #5

First, please define "gun nut." Secondly, Zimmerman can not use the new law leftofcool Mar 2012 #6

Gun Nut: Someone who is so devoted to a machine of war that they cannot, will not DFab420 Mar 2012 #22

K&R... stonecutter357 Mar 2012 #40

Incoherent and irrelevent. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #48

Lol there is nothing incoherent about it.. trying reading it again. This time try saying aloud the DFab420 Mar 2012 #79

Actually the statement is correct. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author Zoeisright Mar 2012 #152

Struck too close to home, I see. Made you uncomfortable. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #144

Lack of empathy? WTF? PavePusher Mar 2012 #150

I agree fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #167

It's not nice to stereotype. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #208

Why? Because YOU can't understand it? Zoeisright Mar 2012 #153

Not if you can read and comprehend English, just sayin' /nt Dragonfli Mar 2012 #168

....... BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2012 #203

The cartoon speaks for what it is. nt Remmah2 Mar 2012 #209

Well, except for the fact... PavePusher Mar 2012 #210

Actually we just respond to being abused. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #99

We will try to be more sensitive to your pain and suffering, no one should ever be harmed by Dragonfli Mar 2012 #171

Stay out of your car then. nt Remmah2 Mar 2012 #187

False Equivalence. Fail. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2012 #202

Is that the whole substance of the counter arguement? Remmah2 Mar 2012 #205

no need to say anything further. The logical fallacy is evident. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2012 #218

No. It isn't. Straw Man Mar 2012 #232

for an illustration of your argument, BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2012 #235

OH MY GOD all my guns are broken! AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #117

Whew! Ok good OriginalGeek Mar 2012 #137

Has anyone ever heard of a gun owner who was NOT a "responsible" gun owner? I think not. eom xtraxritical Mar 2012 #174

Even the ones like Zimmerman were consider "responsible" gun owners right up until . . . . . . Hoyt Mar 2012 #216

great post n/t stanwyck Mar 2012 #196

A Gunophiliac NBachers Mar 2012 #173

Agreed! nt chiffon Mar 2012 #7

This is in no way... nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #8

True, Sir, It is Like The 'I'm No Racist, But...' Pre-Amble The Magistrate Mar 2012 #9

"If you feel the need to preface your post" ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #10

I think it's pretty understandable...But if you want to be obtuse, I'll jump through your hoops. DFab420 Mar 2012 #14

How certain are you of your interpretation of that phrase? ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #24

You wouldn't need to preface it. Gore1FL Mar 2012 #61

I agree the preface is unneeded, and can be considered wordy. ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #170

It can be a way of expressing a nuanced opinion RZM Mar 2012 #71

This is in no way a defense of Zimmerman but I don't think he should be strung up tularetom Mar 2012 #11

That's fine. But how about the at least arrest him as a suspect and charge him with at DFab420 Mar 2012 #18

Thank you, thank you, thank you. montanto Mar 2012 #69

Those who carry guns are ready to play judge/jury/executioner without benefit of trial. Hoyt Mar 2012 #183

And the President shall lead them. OnyxCollie Mar 2012 #200

Once we get guns restricted, we can go after drones. Hoyt Mar 2012 #214

How 'bout we just restrict killing w/out trial instead? nt OnyxCollie Mar 2012 #215

The "Gungeon" is the only group in DU that routinely advocates in favor of republicans.... Walk away Mar 2012 #12

Sigh Remmah2 Mar 2012 #23

Well said! Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #45

So you are telling me that members of the gun lobby don't routinely advocate.... Walk away Mar 2012 #66

Try taking people for who they are, one at a time. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #74

I have never been a NRA member either. Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #89

I love how some people see every gun owner as a mass murdered. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #96

Good for you. That was clearly not my point but feel free to testify! nt Walk away Mar 2012 #124

But that is exactly how gun owners get treated. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #139

How yow you react is up to you. I am interested in why so many Gun Lobby folk... Walk away Mar 2012 #105

I've sent many an e-mail to my Democratic Senators and Reps expressing my opinions. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #109

You haven't established your claim. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #135

Put up or shut up. Straw Man Mar 2012 #230

Do it. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #120

The thought of sifting through the haranging and often... Walk away Mar 2012 #132

If we do, individuals like myself will step up with private contributions to PP. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #133

Well put. Union Scribe Mar 2012 #239

Well that was a bunch of fallacious horse-apples. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #51

Did you alert those posts? AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #119

The pro-gun crowd does indeed applaud every time some right winger proposes relaxing gun laws. Hoyt Mar 2012 #184

It seems the spin started with the gun prohibitionist prom. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #13

Yup cause it was the local PD's money and influence that allowed a for a law that means you can gun DFab420 Mar 2012 #16

Second verse, same as the first. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #26

Seems your the one dancing around this issue. Do you disagree that the NRA has used its money and DFab420 Mar 2012 #82

Only if you only read half the law. PavePusher Mar 2012 #53

I have read all of it. DFab420 Mar 2012 #86

Apparently you missed this part.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #92

I don't understand your point? Are you saying Trayvon brought this on himself cause he provoked DFab420 Mar 2012 #97

No, you can't "gun ppl down in the streets if you feel threatened...." under this law.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #101

So even though you think Zimmerman can't avail himself of the law, the FL PD disagree DFab420 Mar 2012 #108

The racist PD, whose chief was replaced for a previous incident of looking the other way? X_Digger Mar 2012 #110

?? ok I'm confused by the point you are trying to make..the stand your ground law it the law that DFab420 Mar 2012 #114

Yes, it's the corrupt police, not the law. X_Digger Mar 2012 #118

The police aren't using the law at all. PavePusher Mar 2012 #145

Yes, you see the problem isnt this fucked up law that enables racist police departments Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #156

And you think a racist police department wouldn't cover for a racist without this one law?!? X_Digger Mar 2012 #158

If I bang my head harder will it get through to you what we are saying? Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #159

Feel free to bang whatever you like. X_Digger Mar 2012 #161

Like Zimmerman and those like him are going to read all that. They don't get past Stand Your Ground Hoyt Mar 2012 #185

Lots of concern trolls that just feel the need to reassure themselves. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #15

Rec. CakeGrrl Mar 2012 #20

This in no way is a defense of Zimmerman. KamaAina Mar 2012 #21

I am a gun nut but Zimmerman is a racist who should be prosecuted for murder bluestateguy Mar 2012 #25

I guess I must be a gun nut, too. murielm99 Mar 2012 #31

Agree. Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #33

Murderers never consider the law! Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #50

He wanted this to happen, no doubts about it. nt Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #54

I don't want police to get in the habit of arresting people without concrete evidence of a crime slackmaster Mar 2012 #28

A child carrying nothing but tea and skittles was killed by obxhead Mar 2012 #43

"while an investigation is underway"... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #77

The problem may be the law itself. Please read the Sanford City Manager's open letter. slackmaster Mar 2012 #111

I saw the letter yesterday (responded in the original post about it). ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #115

The law does not -verb needed- harassing somone... slackmaster Mar 2012 #121

It does not allow for (edited). I hope you don't mind that I am going to go ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #123

I agree with you that there is evidence to keep the case open, and in fact it IS still open. slackmaster Mar 2012 #127

Again, I am going to go with the (not a CNN caller) legal expert ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #128

Ironically Trevor Martin could have used this law had he been carrying a gun... Kalidurga Mar 2012 #29

Perhaps so, but Trayvon Martin was too young to legally buy a handgun or get a permit to carry it slackmaster Mar 2012 #30

Above all everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #34

I have no problem with Zimmerman having a fair trial, but to have a trial he needs to be WI_DEM Mar 2012 #36

No, that's not how it works. PavePusher Mar 2012 #55

Lol what??? Usually if there is a shooting and the shooter is on scene he is at least detained for DFab420 Mar 2012 #93

"detained for questioning" =/= "arrested and charged" PavePusher Mar 2012 #146

Actually, according to the PD report (for what it's worth), he was handcuffed and detained. X_Digger Mar 2012 #148

Oh, we have a good idea about what happened next Oilwellian Mar 2012 #90

Who confronted who? Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #149

all that shit is on the 911 tapes.. frylock Mar 2012 #98

I think i'd be yelling for help too... Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #113

and based on that comment i'll place you in the zimmerman camp frylock Mar 2012 #130

I see. Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #143

I Expected it... and Glad they Outed Themselves fascisthunter Mar 2012 #35

They could try being honest. safeinOhio Mar 2012 #37

I think you're being unfair. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #38

If it was Trayvon crying for help then he was fearing for his life. Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #44

It's exactly like someone saying "I'm not racist, but" obxhead Mar 2012 #41

Bravo! Zoeisright Mar 2012 #155

"Gun nuts... on DU" is an insult to DUers cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #46

We're tough. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #52

I didn't alert for just that reason. n/t cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #63

Agreed... SidDithers Mar 2012 #49

Most of those are probably from TS'd Paulbots RZM Mar 2012 #72

Why make the claim about Paulbots then? Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #95

There was a rash of Ron Paul trolls not so long ago RZM Mar 2012 #131

More than just the war on drugs. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #122

Complete Agreement Moral Compass Mar 2012 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Mar 2012 #60

Zimmerman Old Codger Mar 2012 #62

This avalanche of mistakes is why laws like this one makes no sense. Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #78

imho why the PD is in full blown CYA mode.. frylock Mar 2012 #103

21 states have passed this same law as Florida. This is insane! earcandle Mar 2012 #75

That is like saying, 'this is in no way defense of the GOP...' Rex Mar 2012 #80

The argument against this law in the first place was..... louis-t Mar 2012 #81

That was always the case, before this law or after. X_Digger Mar 2012 #100

Without the law, the evidence would have allowed the police to louis-t Mar 2012 #236

Not likely.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #237

The law is fine. Zimmerman's actions don't fall under it. moriah Mar 2012 #94

what would have happened if Zimmerman had followed and shot a middle aged white man? jzodda Mar 2012 #102

I would actually say that the "stand your ground" law would work in Trayvon's favor. LoZoccolo Mar 2012 #104

Especially if Zimmerman tried to illegally detain Martin. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #116

Exactly. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #125

It would if Zimmerman was dead Progressive dog Mar 2012 #141

no. If Martin had shot Zimmerman he would be in jail right now facing a death penalty. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #162

The law certainly was Trayvon's advantage. Especially if being killed counts as an advantage. Dr Fate Mar 2012 #219

Sorry pal. The law isn't the problem. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #112

Just like I don't mean to bother you, I don't mean to step on your... I don't mean to interupt you.. demgrrrll Mar 2012 #126

Nonsense. Zimmerman is a murderer, and you trying to blame the law gives him an EXCUSE. Daemonaquila Mar 2012 #129

The gun people here are the only ones permitted to openly worship a rightwing organization DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #134

Yes Progressive dog Mar 2012 #142

Thank you. K&R n/t Control-Z Mar 2012 #138

I am so sick of the twisted defences of this law Progressive dog Mar 2012 #140

Exactly, the fuckers who backed this law were Republicans. They love to pass crap that Hoyt Mar 2012 #217

I searched for them but could only find yours. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #147

I agree 10000000%. Zoeisright Mar 2012 #151

K&R abelenkpe Mar 2012 #154

It's obvious that the anti gun nuts are looking for any reason to attack all gun owners. L0oniX Mar 2012 #157

yes how dare we. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #160

What I find amazing is what incredibly thin skin gun lovers (at least here) appear to have. Dragonfli Mar 2012 #163

"incredibly thin skin"? PavePusher Mar 2012 #188

AGREE 100% fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #164

Now that our pretend liberals, aka "pro-gun Democrats" have been given their very own forum on DU3 apocalypsehow Mar 2012 #166

I am a progressive flaming liberal retired nurse Mojorabbit Mar 2012 #179

why do you think that post had anything to do with you? iverglas Mar 2012 #192

Because I am a "pro gun liberal" Mojorabbit Mar 2012 #220

no, presumably you're a pro gun liberal iverglas Mar 2012 #221

Oh, lord. Union Scribe Mar 2012 #240

did you have something to actually say? iverglas Mar 2012 #241

Thanks for the insult Papagoose Mar 2012 #191

and another one iverglas Mar 2012 #193

You're wrong. Straw Man Mar 2012 #229

No, I'm not wrong. Nothing about the NRA agenda is a "progressive value." apocalypsehow Mar 2012 #234

Maybe, just maybe flvegan Mar 2012 #169

This is the result of gun nuts. Nothing else need be said. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #172

It is - precisely right. And they are allowed here to spew their Right wing talking points unabated. apocalypsehow Mar 2012 #177

c'mon over to H&M iverglas Mar 2012 #195

Two more and I'm an transparency page ace! Just like Snoopy and his Sopwith Camel. I'm thinking back apocalypsehow Mar 2012 #225

I agree with you 100% nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #201

You'll have to rip that bill out of our cold dead hands! BootinUp Mar 2012 #175

Killing black kids seems to be popular amongst a small segment of the population. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #176

Its pretty sickening seeing people make Zimmerman into some poor victim. Lilyeye Mar 2012 #178

People here? Where? n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #189

Yup, a few of them have been banned. Look in any thread on the guy and you'll find one. Lilyeye Mar 2012 #204

Link please. emilyg Mar 2012 #197

No offense, but I don't have time to go back finding posts from trolls. Lilyeye Mar 2012 #206

If you are going to make this claim.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #211

You can ignore my post. I made an opinion and I don't need to explain myself further. Lilyeye Mar 2012 #212

No, you made an accusation and have not supported it when challenged. PavePusher Mar 2012 #222

Good luck with that? lol Lilyeye Mar 2012 #223

Going by the edit time-stamp.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #224

I posted the link earlier today. Here is another one Lilyeye Mar 2012 #226

Yeah, that was entirely inappropriate in the given circumstances.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #227

This message was self-deleted by its author Lilyeye Mar 2012 #213

Makes you wonder what they'd post if they started with Ken Burch Mar 2012 #181

Let's see some links, please. Another poster tried to say what yu say... Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #186

Rush was just kidding! freshwest Mar 2012 #194

k&r - As I posted on another thread... polichick Mar 2012 #198

It's a great law and has nothing to do with Zimmerman not being charged. Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #199

or they will say "I am a progrssive" before they make a post lol. Lilyeye Mar 2012 #207

Hi. I'm a progressive ... Straw Man Mar 2012 #231

No I am not, thanks for reminding me lol. Lilyeye Mar 2012 #233