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In reply to the discussion: 67% [View all]Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)you can push all you want but the ~25% of us who want single payer are not enough to get it passed.
Your original premise was "without the mandate everything falls apart" and that simply isn't true. The mandate does nothing but protect corporate profits, that is why I think you are doing nothing but defending them.
Even the 67% title of this thread is misleading. You can only get there if you add the 42% who want less or no reform to the 25% who want more.
Oh, and that 12.5% increase ....

...not a good thing but trying to paint it as the sky falling is simply wrong. That would be a one time jump, not an annual increase. Besides it is still possible to use automatic enrollment to help reduce the number not participating so that 12.5% is way over the top as far as an estimate goes.
The simple fact is that HCR is not dependent on the mandate. If it is then the Supreme Court can't possibly strike it down as a stand alone clause. This fact makes this entire thread a ridiculous practice in a hypothetical that can't ever happen. If HCR is dependent on the mandate then either the entire law will be upheld or it will all be overturned.