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Sarah Ibarruri

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97. These amendments were ratified in 1791, when there was NO MILITARY

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 05:37 PM

Mar 2012

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A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Let me repeat that. These amendments were ratified in 1791, when there was NO MILITARY. People merely grabbed a gun and shot because there was NO MILITARY.

Let me repeat it. NO MILITARY.

This is 2012. We now HAVE a military.

You know these things. However, gun-lovers mis-employed and used these ancient, useless laws as a justification to arm this country to the gills, and turn it into the violent, crime-ridden gun nation it is.

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The NRA is a Republican ancillary organization. [View all] Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 OP

It makes sense. NRA is largely a front for the gun manufacturers... lastlib Mar 2012 #1

Exactly! The NRA is a front for the gun manufacturing industry Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #3

Actually, that is a different lobbying org- the NSSF X_Digger Mar 2012 #14

Here you go... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #33

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #2

The NRA is a Republican organization, its CEO is a f GOP nutjob, Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #4

More democrats are showing support for gun ownership. Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #7

"gun nutjob activity" Major Nikon Mar 2012 #16

"...what is a 'gun nutjob activity' ?" 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #18

hm, isn't gun ownership, like, a choice? iverglas Mar 2012 #19

There are exceptions to everything, which is why they're called exceptions, because it's not the Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #47

And the NRA is a right wing organization, gun-obsession is a right wing activity, and everything tha crowhill1974 Apr 2012 #171

The NRA is a right wing organization. Expect me NOT to be thrilled that you like it nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #172

Your equivalence doesn't really work. EFerrari Mar 2012 #96

NRA speakers don't sprew misinformation, so stop saying that. safeinOhio Mar 2012 #11

Ooh such a fine, select group of... uh... nutjobs? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #66

Interesting. Obama has done nothing to incur the wrath of the NRA or gun owners. NOTHING at all. freshwest Mar 2012 #5

It's nothing new that the NRA is directly affiliated with the GOP, and it's no surprise Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #6

I've always thought the NRA and GOP arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #8

I thought they were just about guns, not anything else. Going after Obama disproves that. freshwest Mar 2012 #12

They are about getting the far right into absolute power and nothing more. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #169

But it doesn't connect with their mission of protecting gun ownership. Unless... freshwest Mar 2012 #9

Edit: Going after Obama is a waste of time. Doesn't protect gun ownership. freshwest Mar 2012 #10

He won't let one million M-1s back into the country. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #15

Those effect sales and are often what law enforcement lobbies for, not confiscation. freshwest Mar 2012 #17

The M-1 is NOT an assault rifle. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #26

Yes. That is the smoking gun so to speak. mmonk Mar 2012 #154

It is, absolutely. To claim anything else is either massive denial, or deliberate mis-truth villager Mar 2012 #13

Yes! I've been confronted by folks in denial, claiming the NRA representing libs as well as Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #27

NRA: National Republicans' Auxiliary villager Mar 2012 #30

That's perfect! nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #50

BS? Straw Man Mar 2012 #153

Straw Man? Is that what you're about? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #158

anybody want to visit H&M? iverglas Mar 2012 #20

I went there. What's CG and would you mind explaining this to those of us who aren't sure Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #41

did you mean GD? General Discussion, here? ;) iverglas Mar 2012 #46

Ah, ok. I'm with you there. Gun adoration should be confined, preferably to any forum that Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #48

Yet they support incumbent Democrats in elections hack89 Mar 2012 #21

Yes they do.. Upton Mar 2012 #23

they don't support Obama who is an incumbent Democrat up for election CreekDog Mar 2012 #28

Does anyone here honestly believe Obama is pro-RKBA? badtoworse Mar 2012 #31

evidence he's not? CreekDog Mar 2012 #34

His voting record in the Senate badtoworse Mar 2012 #93

Yes i do CreekDog Mar 2012 #92

Because Obama has a history of supporting gun control hack89 Mar 2012 #35

gun control is not against the RKBA CreekDog Mar 2012 #40

The AWB certainly was. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #51

are you a single issue voter? CreekDog Mar 2012 #73

Of course not. But I don't have to worry about gun control when I choose who to vote for. hack89 Mar 2012 #76

Lots of NRA supporters said the same thing. See my response, #36, which applies to this. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #39

So as more Democrats support RKBA then the NRA will become hack89 Mar 2012 #52

As I said, an exception is not a rule. You're assuming that exceptions are the rule, the majority, Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #54

Well hopefully Democrats will get smart about gun control hack89 Mar 2012 #59

ROFLMAO! Oh yeah, right. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #67

Being on the wrong side of history is not a good thing. hack89 Mar 2012 #72

Let's see here: You're against Democratic leaders? Against Obama? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #74

I support him whole heartily. Since he is silent on the issue of gun control hack89 Mar 2012 #77

How do you stand on welfare? How about taxing the rich at a higher rate? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #78

Support both. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #80

Ok. You're extremely confusing, you know. I think you realize that. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #81

No, he's like most of us gungeon regulars. X_Digger Mar 2012 #86

Most of us meaning NRA members? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #87

I meant what I said. 'most of us' = gungeon regulars. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #88

What's your story? What got you into guns? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #89

Always had them. Always will. X_Digger Mar 2012 #90

Very cute kids. I know that in the past, guns were used for catching food. No longer. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #99

I carry to protect myself in the unlikely, but potentially serious chance I may need it.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #102

Protect yourself from? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #104

Potential violent attack. X_Digger Mar 2012 #107

That's different. You were like a police officer, going into all kinds of neighborhoods, and Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #109

On the other hand, if I ever had anyone enter my home with a weapon... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #110

Err, I was a guy with a truck. X_Digger Mar 2012 #113

Fine, but you spent your life going in and out of places all day long, correct? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #114

For the most part, yep. X_Digger Mar 2012 #115

You really can't accept the idea of a pro-gun Democrat, can you? hack89 Mar 2012 #94

A pro-gun Democrat is like an anti-abortion Democrat who thinks males should decide women's rights Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #98

Sure are a lot of exceptions.. Upton Mar 2012 #101

Thanks to the NRA and the promotion of gun ownership as benevolent. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #103

Why is being pro-gun assumed to be an inherently conservative position? krispos42 Mar 2012 #106

Read the OP, for starters. Second, who is out there waving the flag of gun ownership? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #111

I'm asking why it's inherently liberal or conservative krispos42 Mar 2012 #116

Oh. Hmmm... excellent question. Many reasons... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #123

So then the goal of anti-gun liberals is that... krispos42 Mar 2012 #132

"Anti-gun liberals" Hmmmm! That phrase tells me something about you nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #136

You really need to get out of the city hack89 Mar 2012 #120

I live in the South and am very involved in organizations in which Dems are prevalent Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #126

So why have so many states with Democratic majorities hack89 Mar 2012 #134

Because the NRA is one of the most fucking lucrative lobbying organizations Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #135

But why are Democrats passing pro-gun laws? hack89 Mar 2012 #138

You mean why is the NRA now suddenly trying to lobby Democrats? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #140

I am saying that Blue states have been passing pro-gun laws over the past 20 years. hack89 Mar 2012 #143

They don't. But the NRA is a lobbying organization, trying to lobby as many politicos as possible Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #144

So Democrats are caving to the NRA? hack89 Mar 2012 #145

Look up the term politicos. However, perhaps I need to repost my article Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #146

What about the past 20 years hack89 Mar 2012 #155

I keep hearing you saying, "BUT BUT BUT BUT.." Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #157

No - just pointing out that America is experiencing historically low levels of gun violence hack89 Mar 2012 #159

No, actually, it's you always and 24/7 defending gun-love. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #160

No - you want to restrict my civil liberties hack89 Mar 2012 #161

No, actually, your gun love is restricting MY civil liberties, and you live misinterpreting the Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #162

The entire Supreme Court and the President disagree with you hack89 Mar 2012 #165

The Supreme Court was turned right wing so my response to you is DUH. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #168

So there are no liberal justices? None at all? hack89 Mar 2012 #170

e.g. the 1924 Democratic Convention, aka the Klanbake, in NYC. X_Digger Mar 2012 #75

The deceptive re-defining of what the Second Amendment was for... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #79

So the Bill of Rights is not a list of individual rights? hack89 Mar 2012 #95

These amendments were ratified in 1791, when there was NO MILITARY Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #97

So what was the intent of the BOR? hack89 Mar 2012 #118

Bullshit. And I'm trying to be as polite as I can be. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #119

Read the preamble to the bill of rights.. the instruction manual, if you will.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #121

Let me repeat. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #124

You're assuming your own premise.. circular reasoning. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #150

Circular reasoning is the canned response to anything you have no real response for Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #151

I wouldn't know.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #152

Good luck with that. hack89 Mar 2012 #122

You've done it several times already. Re-read your posts. Gun-lovers redefine the II and II Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #125

“I believe the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms.” BARACK OBAMA hack89 Mar 2012 #127

Why do gun-lovers make me have to repeat myself? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #129

Are you ready for a lifetime of disappointment? hack89 Mar 2012 #130

I'm already disappointed. I blame you people for this country being dangerous nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #133

Ok - your fear is irrational but I do honestly feel sorry for you. hack89 Mar 2012 #137

As I said, I blame you gun lovers for the high gun-crime rate we suffer in the U.S. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #139

Oh well - I am sure we will learn to live with your scorn. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #141

That's not my concern. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #142

Not True stevekatz Mar 2012 #128

Incorrect. Plain citizens grabbing guns and running to fight is not a pro military Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #131

wrong again stevekatz Mar 2012 #147

You just made my argument for me... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #148

No I didn't stevekatz Mar 2012 #149

You seriously think they are not partisan??? Logical Mar 2012 #61

If more Democrats were reasonable on gun control hack89 Mar 2012 #65

"Reasonable" on gun control? Is that like being "reasonable" on letting men control women's bodies? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #68

There is a Constitutional right to abortion. There is a Constititional right to bear arms. hack89 Mar 2012 #71

and public airwaves AM radio is a 24/7 ad for them certainot Mar 2012 #22

Rush Limbaugh, perhaps? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #38

Some info for you.. Upton Mar 2012 #24

I've debunked this noise so many times ... iverglas Mar 2012 #25

I don't recall any Democratic presidential candidates running on a pro-RKBA platform. badtoworse Mar 2012 #32

I don't recall any candidates for anything backed by the NRA iverglas Mar 2012 #42

I asked about Democratic presidential candidates running pro-RKBA badtoworse Mar 2012 #117

are you familiar with Obama's platform plank on the issue? iverglas Mar 2012 #156

Yes, there are SOME liberals who are obsessed with guns as any right wingnut. SOME. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #69

See my reply #36, which responds to your assertion as well. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #37

They're still a Republican organization. You can tell by all the lies they spew. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #45

Drop that old line! Look at the speakers! All you need to know! Logical Mar 2012 #62

Don't tell that to the 58 incumbent House Democrats that were endorsed by the NRA in 2010 Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #29

The NRA is a Republican organization, historically funding Republican candidates. Recently... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #36

The NRA is a Republican thug organization, and you should take your support for them elsewhere. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #44

. fascisthunter Mar 2012 #56

Good grief Freddie. They only support Blue Damn Dog's, not real Democrats. rhett o rick Mar 2012 #108

Thank you for this thread DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #43

I also detest Republicans. They make me sick to my stomach. You're quite welcome. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #49

That makes Michael Moore a life member of a Republican ancillary organization KamaAina Mar 2012 #53

You are going to have to elaborate. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #55

Michael Moore is a life member of the NRA KamaAina Mar 2012 #57

Here's why he made himself a member - to dismantle the NRA. Just thought you might like to know Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #70

Michael Moore paid $750 to become a life member so that he could run against madinmaryland Mar 2012 #58

That sounds like something he would do KamaAina Mar 2012 #63

He could run again, but he probably wouldn't get many votes. madinmaryland Mar 2012 #64

Are you serious? You must not read much about why he did that! Logical Mar 2012 #60

Which he joined with the intention of fucking up from the inside. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #83

K&R for the utterly obvious truth. baldguy Mar 2012 #82

rec. KG Mar 2012 #84

And News Corp is the GOPs free PR firm so what else is new? cstanleytech Mar 2012 #85

Yep. And we have our very own sub-forum dedicated to spewing the NRA's talking points here at DU. apocalypsehow Mar 2012 #91

yup... funny how some don't notice fascisthunter Mar 2012 #100

Well, I can't really understand why the NRA isn't on the Democratic side krispos42 Mar 2012 #105

Past that... lol nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #112

You posted this as if it was a situation somehow unique to the GOP FiercelyIndependant Mar 2012 #163

You must not have read the OP article. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #164

Actually I did... FiercelyIndependant Mar 2012 #166

Again, the #1 lobbying organization for gun manufacturers here and abroad is the NRA Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #167