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Warpy

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185. That was a full blown virus, not a killed or attenuated one

Sat Mar 15, 2014, 02:46 PM

Mar 2014

Typhoid Mary never had an immunization, either.

Please get this, immunizations work differently from disease. Few use live viruses and most use just a snip of the coating or DNA to trick the immune system into manufacturing antibodies that prevent the person from dying from the disease.

The only vaccine that I know of that makes people infectious is the oral polio vaccine and it only lasts for a few days and is a problem only in areas where the water is unsafe and there's too little of it for people to wash their hands after they clean a baby's bottom and when the adult has not had the immunization.

While I don't expect civilians to understand the full ins and outs of theory behind vaccination, I am appalled by how much people today have forgotten about what those "usual childhood diseases" represented in terms of childhood disability and death.

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Thanks, Anti-Vaxxers. You Just Brought Back Measles in NYC. [View all] zappaman Mar 2014 OP

I will never understand anti-vaxxers. Rex Mar 2014 #1

For some reason... zappaman Mar 2014 #38

They are actually starting to HURT other people with their continued ignorance. Rex Mar 2014 #43

If you are alive today HockeyMom Mar 2014 #75

That still is no excuse for NOT getting your children vaccinated TODAY. Rex Mar 2014 #82

In 1966 my parents had no choice. deafskeptic Mar 2014 #229

If someone is not here today, Sissyk Mar 2014 #85

Silly perspective pipoman Mar 2014 #93

That's demonstrably wrong. chrisa Mar 2014 #101

Actually, plague is handled with antibiotics and not vaccines. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #134

There is a vaccine for plague wercal Mar 2014 #139

I didn't know that. I guess they vaccinate for all kinds of things in the Army Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #143

There is a plague vaccine...I am vaccinated due to travel I've done. nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #223

Not quite getting where you're coming from. Arkana Mar 2014 #124

Awesome Perspective! enki23 Mar 2014 #133

wow. I am speechless..... bowens43 Mar 2014 #151

Actually, my grandfather died in the Flue Pandemic. Demoiselle Mar 2014 #155

The 1918 Flu Pandemic killed some 100 million, iirc. Want to take your chances on that? Hekate Mar 2014 #178

Not to pile on... Barack_America Mar 2014 #183

WTF? PCIntern Mar 2014 #202

50-100 million died. Think of all those who might be alive if those hadn't died. I mean, what? uppityperson Mar 2014 #213

my grandmother almost died in the 1918 flu pandemic d_r Mar 2014 #226

That, is bizarre! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #227

Think of it from the perspective of all those that died or have congential issues Sheepshank Mar 2014 #239

My GF is sort of an anti-vaxxer Ex Lurker Mar 2014 #46

Well I am wary of hospitals and try to avoid them at all cost. Rex Mar 2014 #47

Her kid is past vaccination age? Madam Mossfern Mar 2014 #65

I believe he has been vaccinated nt Ex Lurker Mar 2014 #67

he still needs booster shots as he gets older demigoddess Mar 2014 #88

My 35 year old daughter laughed at booster shots HockeyMom Mar 2014 #192

I'm 42 and just got vaccinated for MMR plus a TDaP TransitJohn Mar 2014 #166

Hopefully, "an adult able to make better choices for his health". Barack_America Mar 2014 #190

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #95

It's easy. They are stupid, pigheaded luddites who think they know more medicine than doctors kestrel91316 Mar 2014 #159

Idiots. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #2

du rec. xchrom Mar 2014 #3

Measles in pregnancy, associated with increased stillbirth and miscarriage uppityperson Mar 2014 #4

German measles or rubeola? sunnystarr Mar 2014 #11

Rubeola uppityperson Mar 2014 #21

Rubeola IS regular measles. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #91

Rubella causes the infection which is hazardous to fetal development. Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #102

Why exactly are Vaccers scared again? Shouldn't they be protected? nt thereismore Mar 2014 #5

Not everyone can be vaccinated. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #6

No Pro-vax person ever suggests that everyone must get vaccinated. eggplant Mar 2014 #107

Are you agreeing with my post and adding to it, ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #132

Heh, I was rebutting it... eggplant Mar 2014 #140

lol nt ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #145

google 'herd immunity' and get back to us nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #8

You do that. Herd immunity should not break down just because a tiny fraction of people doesn't thereismore Mar 2014 #15

wrong...Measles is a highly contagious disease and requires over 90% to be immune (vaccinated)... yawnmaster Mar 2014 #28

Are you saying that less than 90% of people got the measles vaccine? thereismore Mar 2014 #30

No, I am saying that when less than (around) 90% are immune, either through exposure... yawnmaster Mar 2014 #40

So that means that this "epidemic" occured despite the fact that >90% people did thereismore Mar 2014 #247

No, it doesn't mean that at all. eom yawnmaster Mar 2014 #248

Smallpox has been eradicated. Last known case in US was 1949. In the world 1977. Tess49 Mar 2014 #152

Yes it has, because people were vaccinated. Measles eradication is a continuing issue because... yawnmaster Mar 2014 #158

Because vaccination for it was pushed and pushed hard. I got it, and the boosters. Funny story... Hekate Mar 2014 #184

I remember everyone getting their smallpox vaccination when I was a child. I was born in 1949. It Tess49 Mar 2014 #221

Herd immunity requires around 90% vaccination. jeff47 Mar 2014 #115

Also herd immunity jamzrockz Mar 2014 #180

The answer is in the OP: JoeyT Mar 2014 #16

I see the point. Back in the old times people did not visit newborns thereismore Mar 2014 #29

Babies got measles in the past; it's not something new. LeftishBrit Mar 2014 #61

And people who could afford to do it vacationed in the country all summer to avoid disease. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #87

Interesting point about SheilaT Mar 2014 #108

1st measles vaccination is at 12 mos. Barack_America Mar 2014 #187

It's not about people who get vaccines versus anti-vaxxers. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #37

Also in the third category - Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #103

I don't think it usually does LeftishBrit Mar 2014 #113

I wasn't including them in the third category. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #116

The vaccines don't work for everyone. Mariana Mar 2014 #41

^ Bingo! +infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #50

Also babies too young to be vaccinated are at risk. LeftishBrit Mar 2014 #63

I'd rather take something that was 99.9999999999% effective Arkana Mar 2014 #127

The poster wondered why vaccinated people are concerned. Mariana Mar 2014 #147

and for them the herd immunity would be helpful....right? Sheepshank Mar 2014 #240

Why are anti-vaccers more scared of non-proven, theoretical threats than in Arugula Latte Mar 2014 #135

Because they have never seen the result enlightenment Mar 2014 #186

Very, very well articulated analysis. Ignorance kills. nt Hekate Mar 2014 #191

Fucking morons. (n/t) Iggo Mar 2014 #7

And ABC put one of the worst of this bunch on a top-rated show. Archae Mar 2014 #9

McCarthy is a piece of work warrant46 Mar 2014 #62

If McCarthy was ignorant, she'd have an excuse. Archae Mar 2014 #81

+1 Awesome warrant46 Mar 2014 #84

We've got 13 cases of mumps on the campus. sinkingfeeling Mar 2014 #10

My mom, dad and all of us kids had the measles at the same time nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #12

I had measles, mumps and chicken pox, not at the same time. Lived to tell. nt thereismore Mar 2014 #27

No mumps here but a friend of ours brought her son over so he could catch the measles from us Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #32

Measles, mumps, pipi_k Mar 2014 #66

I almost didn't Spirochete Mar 2014 #142

You understand the difference between an anecdote and the scientific method, right? nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #179

Of course. My story is an anecdote but a true one. nt thereismore Mar 2014 #238

anecdotes are not lies...they are statistically useless. n/t Sheepshank Mar 2014 #241

Perhaps to you. I am not a statistic, so it's not useless to me. nt thereismore Mar 2014 #244

Some religious groups believe vaccinations are evil and dangerous. lumpy Mar 2014 #13

Some religious groups are fucking idiots...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #24

What he said. nt thereismore Mar 2014 #31

That is why religious exemptions need to go away Warpy Mar 2014 #34

They sure are pipi_k Mar 2014 #68

Two points Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #228

Two points Warpy Mar 2014 #233

1. Prove it Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #237

Some? Codeine Mar 2014 #35

+1 Rex Mar 2014 #45

+2 SunSeeker Mar 2014 #64

All* Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #73

Well, I didn't want to be too nasty... SidDithers Mar 2014 #77

I'd replace "Some" with "All" Gore1FL Mar 2014 #111

Those religious groups need their heads examined. Arkana Mar 2014 #128

polio is merely reacting to offensive moves made by Big Vax and corporate elites functioning_cog Mar 2014 #14

Oh sh... Xyzse Mar 2014 #17

Conflating those who are not vaccinated with "vaccine deniers" is dishonest. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #18

That happened to me when I entered college as an adult - doctor didn't note in my chart that Hestia Mar 2014 #162

This is from Ontario, but I think it applies here: hedgehog Mar 2014 #19

Been through 2 measles outbreaks in Florida schools HockeyMom Mar 2014 #20

Carriers? NOT POSSIBLE Warpy Mar 2014 #33

What about Typhoid Mary? She never had but sure as hell spread it. It *can* happen n/t Hestia Mar 2014 #163

That was a full blown virus, not a killed or attenuated one Warpy Mar 2014 #185

That's an idiotic choice. sybylla Mar 2014 #123

I can walk, had children, HockeyMom Mar 2014 #154

Good for you! I guess you must be genetically superior! Barack_America Mar 2014 #193

no, you won't give your own bodies a chance HockeyMom Mar 2014 #195

Sister of a high school classmate of mine got mumps encephalitis and was left blind and crippled... Hekate Mar 2014 #199

If you are vacinated what do you have to worry about? dilby Mar 2014 #22

Nope, they are putting many of their fellow citizens at risk: cpwm17 Mar 2014 #25

You know, a friend of mine is quite adamant about adults never touching a child less than 6 months Hestia Mar 2014 #164

One should worry about the social environment. I can be immune and still have concern for others.. yawnmaster Mar 2014 #36

No vaccine is 100% effective. Mariana Mar 2014 #44

Herd immunity Marrah_G Mar 2014 #56

Vaccines are a good deal less than 100%... no vaxxers create a vector for disease to spread JCMach1 Mar 2014 #69

Having had the disease gives more immunity than a vaccine HockeyMom Mar 2014 #79

Getting the disease can also kill you dead... I nearly died from Chicken Pox at 22 JCMach1 Mar 2014 #89

Not to mention the risk of developing awesome shingles! Barack_America Mar 2014 #194

My mom had a case of shingles that went into Ramsay Hunt Syndrome JCMach1 Mar 2014 #235

No; immunity can go down after having the diseases too LeftishBrit Mar 2014 #114

I was vaccinated, and I got measles anyway in Jr. High. MNBrewer Mar 2014 #70

you are one of the 2 or 3 %. The measles vaccine is very effective. eom yawnmaster Mar 2014 #90

From what I remember, there was a cohort to whom that occurred more frequently MNBrewer Mar 2014 #100

That's why a booster is now recommended. Barack_America Mar 2014 #181

Were you born around 1966? Mariana Mar 2014 #216

1965 MNBrewer Mar 2014 #222

Unvaccinated children didn't get a choice. sybylla Mar 2014 #126

Because I'm not a "Fuck you, got mine" asshole and I care about the welfare Arkana Mar 2014 #130

Uhh, also, it takes awhile for babies/toddlers/kids to get all their vaccinations. Arugula Latte Mar 2014 #137

Scientific Materialists think vaccines make good public health policy... SidDithers Mar 2014 #23

your ignorance regarding what scientific materialism actually means should be embarrassing. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #48

I assume assumptions about assumptions being made? fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #106

I would NOT punch Jenny McCarthy in the snot locker if I met her on the street ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #26

I'm kind of curious as to who was actually spreading measles in NYC. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #39

That's an interesting question zappaman Mar 2014 #42

You would think it would be common sense to get vaccinated Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #144

Could be adults who didn't get boosters jeff47 Mar 2014 #117

Do they count as "anti-vaxxers"? Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #131

Ah yes, on to the desperate defense. jeff47 Mar 2014 #138

You seem to be reading an awful lot into my post that isn't there. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #141

Boosters every TEN YEARS? HockeyMom Mar 2014 #156

You have a link to that? Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #160

Said the wrong vaccine. Meant DTaP. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2014 #218

Does that include people who had it? Or is it both groups? Interesting... Hestia Mar 2014 #165

Said the wrong vaccine. Meant DTaP. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2014 #219

and later measles patients can develop shingles catrose Mar 2014 #49

I think that's the chicken pox virus, not the measles virus... SidDithers Mar 2014 #51

you're right. sorry catrose Mar 2014 #53

My Father got shingles about four years ago after back surgery. Fuddnik Mar 2014 #109

Yeah, I haven't heard anything good about shingles... SidDithers Mar 2014 #110

The very small are paying a heavy price for the very stupid Mikeystyle Mar 2014 #52

Exactly! sybylla Mar 2014 #129

Major Kick defacto7 Mar 2014 #54

I hope the anti-vaccers never have to know what life was like before vaccines Marrah_G Mar 2014 #55

That would be me HockeyMom Mar 2014 #71

Scarlet Fever? Really? lapislzi Mar 2014 #94

I was given no antibiotics HockeyMom Mar 2014 #97

Aspirin's good for fever but does nothing to treat the (treatable) infection lapislzi Mar 2014 #99

My kids in the 80s got strep a LOT HockeyMom Mar 2014 #104

You raise some good points lapislzi Mar 2014 #105

You are the exception who thinks that she proves the rule. Orrex Mar 2014 #224

I knew a mom (10 yrs ago), who would not give her 5 year old son antibiotics for strep Sheepshank Mar 2014 #242

I had Scarlet Fever twice in the early 70's sybylla Mar 2014 #136

My brother and I both had scarlet fever when we were 2 and 4. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #146

Bully for you. My baby sister's health was badly compromised .... Hekate Mar 2014 #189

This Is What Gets Me: Those Who Preach Anti-Vax Yet Pay No Taxes tea and oranges Mar 2014 #57

First of all, your post is flame-bait, and based on hysteria. loudsue Mar 2014 #58

Los Angeles zappaman Mar 2014 #59

See? I think that's bullshit. Chaves is helping to cause the hysteria. loudsue Mar 2014 #80

Ok zappaman Mar 2014 #86

The problem is people think vaccinations are only for children. jeff47 Mar 2014 #119

The truth is strong in your post dbackjon Mar 2014 #60

I find it palpably ironic that many who chide 'climate deniers' won't vaccinate their kids. ColesCountyDem Mar 2014 #72

In the Ancestral Argot; riqster Mar 2014 #74

K&R Jamastiene Mar 2014 #76

Many states allow Religious objections to vaccinations HockeyMom Mar 2014 #78

Every anti-vaxxer I've ever talked to Ratty Mar 2014 #83

Hey, I believe 911 was an inside job and I am vaccinated. elias7 Mar 2014 #92

This is so sad, the fear some created and now the blowback. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #96

Is it possible it mutated? n/t Holly_Hobby Mar 2014 #98

The article at the link has no information about who is getting measles. former9thward Mar 2014 #112

+1 Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #118

The problem is anti-vaxxers break herd immunity. jeff47 Mar 2014 #120

Do immigrants break herd immunity? former9thward Mar 2014 #122

No, because they are not a large enough portion of the population. jeff47 Mar 2014 #125

You can get a blood test to check your antibody levels. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #148

Immigrants who want a visa have to be vaccinated. X_Digger Mar 2014 #196

Yes, but we know there are X amount here without a visa. former9thward Mar 2014 #201

My own kids, HockeyMom Mar 2014 #157

And if you "believe" in vaccines jeff47 Mar 2014 #121

I got tested for antibody levels. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #150

Where are you getting that? Sgent Mar 2014 #167

Doh! Meant DTaP. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2014 #217

They should be quarantined and confined to their house until they vaccinate on point Mar 2014 #149

Internment camps would be even better. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #230

Quarantine is within exsiting health law and practice. Not sure I lke the sound of internment camps on point Mar 2014 #232

Interesting conclusions made.... Chakaconcarne Mar 2014 #153

Couple days ago I took my child in. All vaccinations up to date for 7 more years now. eom PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #161

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"doesn't protect aganist anything?" WTF are you going on about? arcane1 Mar 2014 #169

It's our returning champion. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #171

Wow, that was fast! arcane1 Mar 2014 #172

Yes it is. Sometimes she tries to hide it but other times she doesn't. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #173

Oh my! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #170

Geez...somebody needs to get a life! Rex Mar 2014 #174

She should learn to give it up. she gets a few posts on a day then she gets nuked. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #175

Seriously, all that effort wasted on this one time ticket called life. Rex Mar 2014 #176

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Ignorance is no excuse. Ignorance kills. Hekate Mar 2014 #177

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #214

I remember getting measles as a kid. I guess they didn't vaccinate for it back then, because valerief Mar 2014 #182

Pro-vaccination -or- bat-shit crazy. The only two positions on this issue. Barack_America Mar 2014 #188

What about those of us who get bad reactions to vaccines? MillennialDem Mar 2014 #198

You can ask your doctor or the Health Dept about alternative preparations. Horse serum... Hekate Mar 2014 #200

Asked the last doctor who gave me a tetanus shot if there was an alternate MillennialDem Mar 2014 #207

Well crap, I'd be pissed off too. You might check around anyway, go over her head as it were. Hekate Mar 2014 #209

Thankfully she is not my normal doctor it was after I was injured MillennialDem Mar 2014 #210

There's a nasal flu vaccine, fyi. nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #231

broad swipe.. Chakaconcarne Mar 2014 #245

Let me give you all a lesson about what natural immunity is all about HockeyMom Mar 2014 #197

Public Health is all about the numbers, HockeyMom. I applaud your vigor, but not everyone is you. Hekate Mar 2014 #203

Me and my family must be part of the SUPER RACE HockeyMom Mar 2014 #204

Just appreciate your personal good luck and realize that not everyone has it, okay? Hekate Mar 2014 #208

Fine, but One Size Does Not Fit All HockeyMom Mar 2014 #211

Kinda what I said in my last post. Take "yes" for an answer. Hekate Mar 2014 #212

Says the PRO-Smoking DUer. LOL. nt Logical Mar 2014 #220

you do realize that many illnesses can cause fever and vomiting etc? Sheepshank Mar 2014 #243

see antigenic sin...flu vaccine in particular. Chakaconcarne Mar 2014 #246

Ugh. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #205

Teeny tiny baby coffins. rug Mar 2014 #215

Back in the late 70s I took an Environmental avebury Mar 2014 #225

One comment and one question? Shandris Mar 2014 #234

yawn Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #236