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Motown_Johnny

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52. Name 60 Senators who will vote for single payer
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:08 PM
Mar 2012

Last edited Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:56 AM - Edit history (1)

How about 50? 40?

Then there is The House.. no way to get anywhere near a majority for single payer there either. There is no political will for single payer and quoting a wiki post that sites a poll from 1987 doesn't change that. I don't believe Rasmussen either but if you can't back up your claim with some actual evidence you might not want to make that claim.

The problem here is that you think the mandate is more important than it is. Yes, if it is struck down then changes will need to be made but not to the entire law.

I think your focus is to narrow. There is a lot more to ACA than forcing people to buy insurance.

Small business tax credits which are then increased in 2014
Increased Federal funds to states for Medicare
"doughnut hole" closed
Anti-fraud measures
Expanded coverage for early retirees
Healthcare.gov site to help compare insurance options and choices
Children able to stay on parent's plan until age 26
Requiring plans to cover preventive care
Prohibiting Insurance Companies from Rescinding Coverage
People can now appeal insurance company coverage determinations
Lifetime limits on coverage are gone
Annual limits are regulated until 2014, then eliminated
Rate hikes need to be justified
Funding for scholarships and loan repayments for primary care doctors and nurses
Establishing Consumer Assistance Programs in the States
A new $15 billion Prevention and Public Health Fund
Funding for community health centers
Increased payments to rural health care providers
Prescription drug discounts
Free preventive care for Seniors
At least 85% of premiums spent on health care services (some exceptions)
Reforming the Medicare Advantage program
A new Center for Medicare & Medicaid Innovation that will begin testing new ways of delivering care to patients
Improved care for seniors after they leave the hospital
The Independent Payment Advisory Board
Increased access to at home services
Incentives for integrated health systems
Fighting racial and ethnic health disparities
Reduced paperwork and administrative costs
Payments linked to quality outcomes
Improved Preventive Health Coverage
Increased Medicaid Payments for Primary Care Doctors
A national pilot program to encourage hospitals, doctors, and other providers to work together to improve the coordination and quality of patient care
More funding for CHIP
Establishing Affordable Insurance Exchanges
Increased Access to Medicaid
Tax credits to help the middle class
Insurers will be prohibited from dropping or limiting coverage because an individual chooses to participate in a clinical trial
Paying Physicians Based on Value Not Volume


Basically there are 3 or 4 clauses that the mandate directly effects. The vast majority of the law does not depend on it.


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67% [View all] MadHound Mar 2012 OP
So ProSense Mar 2012 #1
Wow, selective quoting, again. No surprise from you. MadHound Mar 2012 #4
Nice ProSense Mar 2012 #9
And again, you would should that those people are a bipartisan group MadHound Mar 2012 #10
What? ProSense Mar 2012 #13
Speaking of spin MadHound Mar 2012 #14
You should ProSense Mar 2012 #19
ProSense has it right Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #27
I do support striking down the individual mandate, MadHound Mar 2012 #30
Please respond to my post #33 Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #38
Interestingly progressoid Mar 2012 #53
Single payer IS the only way to go, only we're not going there yet. gateley Mar 2012 #2
Canada's healthcare system took decades to implement. Swede Mar 2012 #3
I know. I don't think I'll be alive to see it, but I fervently hope that some day in gateley Mar 2012 #6
The thing is, people don't have that kind of time MadHound Mar 2012 #7
I think even Hoover and the Roosevelts were trying to get some real health care implemented -- gateley Mar 2012 #17
And if 67% don't like the ACA then 67% certainly would not want single payer treestar Mar 2012 #18
You think so? MadHound Mar 2012 #20
But according to the article with the alleged poll treestar Mar 2012 #34
It's the same old story - they just don't get it. The Right's voice ($$$) is louder than ours, and gateley Mar 2012 #22
Yes, the right wing media just goes on and on about how much it will supposedly cost treestar Mar 2012 #35
"One would think..." -- but they don't treestar. They just don't think. nt gateley Mar 2012 #39
True about RW media, but...complacent? Um, Zorra Mar 2012 #40
Right. Just pay the amount as salary and then the employee sees how much it costs treestar Mar 2012 #47
It's simply a messaging issue. The more people find out about it the more they like it. FarLeftFist Mar 2012 #5
If that were the case, then these numbers wouldn't be trending upwards MadHound Mar 2012 #8
Because of constant bashing from the RW media. Unfortunately people are no more informed than 2 yrs FarLeftFist Mar 2012 #11
Except that is belied by the numbers in this poll MadHound Mar 2012 #12
What, only RWers can be misinformed? Also, some wanted it to go further. FarLeftFist Mar 2012 #32
67% probably also want a tax break while at the same time a shiny new pony. BootinUp Mar 2012 #15
+1 Johonny Mar 2012 #28
67% also think the "pony" smear has gotten a little old SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #46
Oh nonsense BootinUp Mar 2012 #48
Nah.. it was a "cute" way of telling you that your SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #55
Incorrect Mr. Mindreader BootinUp Mar 2012 #58
Medicare for all is the way to go Orangepeel Mar 2012 #16
This Socialist agrees with you lunatica Mar 2012 #21
Most people don't understand that no mandate=exclusions for pre-existing conditions. geek tragedy Mar 2012 #23
How so? MadHound Mar 2012 #26
I want the mandate struck down as a stand alone clause Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #24
The connection is this, MadHound Mar 2012 #25
Why do you think the law will collapse? Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #29
Look at the economics of the ACA MadHound Mar 2012 #31
Only the corporate profits depend on that Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #33
No, what happens if the mandate is struck down MadHound Mar 2012 #41
your own horribly slanted link says that Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #42
You keep claiming, in both this thread and your PM, that I'm defending corporate profits MadHound Mar 2012 #45
There is no political will for a single payer system Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #49
Umm, stop reading polls from 1979 MadHound Mar 2012 #50
Name 60 Senators who will vote for single payer Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #52
Fascinating link. I am utterly shocked Rand, of all of them, think no mandates = not so bad. joshcryer Mar 2012 #57
IMO, The People want the public option but neither the Dems nor the Repukes will give it to them. nt Poll_Blind Mar 2012 #36
I think that is absolutely true. rudycantfail Mar 2012 #44
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2012 #37
Well I don't suppose it will hurt any of us to hope that universal single payer will be the outcome, lonestarnot Mar 2012 #43
I am the 67% KG Mar 2012 #51
You posting a poll from the right wing Langer Research Associates? joshcryer Mar 2012 #54
Here's ProSense Mar 2012 #56
IMHO With Price Controls and Negotiated Drug Prices chnoutte Mar 2012 #59
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