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Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
2. Well, duh?
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 08:31 PM
Mar 2014

Our entire "civilization" is reliant on cheap and high-powered energy resources of fossil fuels. These are finite resources, even before worrying about the other considerations they raise.

Humans are also a famously short-sighted species. It's not our fault, as far as our biology is concerned, we should still be tropical plains-dwelling melon-eaters with a life expectancy of forty years. We're just not able to really plan years, much less generations, into the future. And even if some visionaries among us are, more short-sighted primates come by and dismantle the projects tor the here and now (good and relevant example - Reagan removing the solar panels from the white house)

What this means is that we will keep on burning fossil fuels until we reach a point where we spend more energy getting them than we can produce from them. At which point we will go "Oh shit, now what?" because we won't have prepared to any meaningful degree for that event.

Agriculture - the base point of any civilization - is currently based on petroleum. Not just hte energy needs of shipping, machinery, etc., but also the peripherals - hard to have a hose without hydrocarbon polymers. To say nothing of where all those fertilizers, pesticides, and herbicides come from. The industrial farm will collapse, and the several billion people who depend on that industry for food, are going ot find themselves in a tough spot. Not that they'd be able to afford it anyway as the petroleum drought will end up putting most people out of work - we'll be having food riots well before the agricultural industry starts running dry.

andhten what, generations down the line? Well, fossil fuels are still depleted, along with most of hte minerals we were using for all our gadgets. Plastics of course are a thing of hte past. We won't be able to sustain megalopolis cities anymore. So. yeah. Irreversable collapse. The fossil fuel boom was an absurd and brief chapter of human history.

Unless, somehow, some way, we manage to defy human tendencies, put the smart guys in charge, and turn all of our production towards tapping into solar, tidal, and geothemal energy sources. The systems and functions of our planet provide more energy than we'll ever need, more than could ever be dug up in the form of coal or uranium, and all we have to do is invest the money and resources NOW for a system that will keep running until the next giant asteroid sneaks up on us.

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kr....nt MindMover Mar 2014 #1
Well, duh? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #2
With a high tech enough civilization an asteroid couldn't sneak up on us Fumesucker Mar 2014 #6
In other words... ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2014 #9
Well, exactly. It's not as if anyone in charge is actually doing anything other Nay Mar 2014 #43
"Our biology"? Are you *fucking* kidding me? AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #8
"humans aren't actually primates" Scootaloo Mar 2014 #15
Do realize I pointed out what the science actually says..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #18
Citation? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #25
Wikipedia disagrees with you Electric Monk Mar 2014 #26
We're so lucky to have rocket scientists to help us understand stuff. L0oniX Mar 2014 #47
Chimpanzees and bonobos are more closely related to humans cpwm17 Mar 2014 #21
"Chimpanzees and bonobos are more closely related to humans"..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #39
I'm just wondering where you were told that stuff. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #53
No religious school.....fuck, man, I don't even like creationism. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #54
google Hominidae dude, you are embarrassing yourself. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #28
. Bonobo Mar 2014 #35
Humans are definitely primates marions ghost Mar 2014 #42
+1000 GliderGuider Mar 2014 #45
Well, as soon as civilization crashes we'll be back to eating melons on the plains until we turn 40 Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #52
It might actually save the planet 1000words Mar 2014 #3
I see it happening this way. airplaneman Mar 2014 #4
yeah well we aren't going to take the necessary steps. The Mayan and Roman models apply. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #5
*Sigh*.....this hyperbolic shit again? AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #7
What's "hyperbolic" about it? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #10
I didn't miss that part. It was one of the only good parts, TBH. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #13
History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men Fumesucker Mar 2014 #17
Godzilla? Really? nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #27
Word. n/t leeroysphitz Mar 2014 #50
NASA sure could use your brilliant mind. 1000words Mar 2014 #11
I've actually done my research on AGW. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #16
Anxiously awaiting the conclusions of your research 1000words Mar 2014 #20
*facepalm*. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #23
Why are you asking me? 1000words Mar 2014 #24
No, he just reads other's interpretation of research on skepticalscience.com NoOneMan Mar 2014 #32
The focus of the report appears to be broader, resource exhuastion in general, it is a very real Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #30
"serious trouble in the years ahead" NickB79 Mar 2014 #40
I know a lot more actual facts than most of the "doomers", that's for sure. nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #41
"They got us to the moon!" Scootaloo Mar 2014 #29
...and when they got there they found Alice. L0oniX Mar 2014 #46
Call Paul Ryan, he'll tell us what to do. Kingofalldems Mar 2014 #12
It will all be ok once we stop people from smoking, owning guns, eating olive garden, and porn The Straight Story Mar 2014 #14
I thought cornflake fried chicken was the real threat? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #19
Indeed. So many threats others want to save us all from by force The Straight Story Mar 2014 #22
And pitbulls - don't forget pitbulls! hatrack Mar 2014 #38
Smoking is fine. It's those e cigs that are deadly. Autumn Mar 2014 #48
There is one significant difference: sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #31
That's important, but I think population size will matter more cprise Mar 2014 #33
No no no, we're not gonna get wiped out DeadLetterOffice Mar 2014 #34
Everything LiberalElite Mar 2014 #36
They must be figuring in Apophis visiting and knocking out satellites and in 2029 before it returns freshwest Mar 2014 #37
No shit. ...hmmm ...something about finite resources, the 1% and global climate change. L0oniX Mar 2014 #44
Without a Trace ‘The Sixth Extinction' G_j Mar 2014 #49
I just finished reading this book. It was excellent! nt octoberlib Mar 2014 #51
Kicking for Human Primates! nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #55
+1 Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #56
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