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BlueStreak

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71. I would flip that around

Sat Mar 15, 2014, 08:51 PM

Mar 2014

Why should Musk be allowed to set up storefronts that sell to (some might say take advantage of) New Jersey residents and not be in a position to service the product after the sale?

I'm ambivalent about this. I think the state has a legitimate interest in making sure that vehicles are in a position to be serviced. But I also agree that the entrenched dealers manipulate this to protect a fortress.

I'm just saying there are definitely 2 sides to this story. I don't really like the idea that in my area there are basically 5 different people who control 75% of all dealerships for a population center of 1.5 million. OTOH, I sure as hell don't want Wal*Mart selling cars and driving dealerships out of business because Wal*Mart is "more efficient."

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Car Dealers Are Terrified of Tesla�s Plan to Eliminate Oil Changes [View all] n2doc Mar 2014 OP

This is the future of automobiles, and thankfully it cannot happen soon enough ... MindMover Mar 2014 #1

You do know the motor is behind the driver in the Roadster Peregrine Mar 2014 #4

It's also the past, which should be a lesson for us Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #5

and how many million vehicles were built and on the roads in those days ... ??? MindMover Mar 2014 #6

A late night show host and his electric car... hunter Mar 2014 #57

very cool!...nt Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #62

A 600 dollar a year service plan is ridiculous. Mosby Mar 2014 #2

I take it you are not religious about oil changes, speaking of the OP nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #10

I change my oil every 6000 miles Mosby Mar 2014 #11

Local shop charges 45, and we have it done by our mechanic nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #12

That was a good idea Mosby Mar 2014 #13

half that, and it had 44K when we bought her nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #14

With all that... CanSocDem Mar 2014 #58

It is separate from what I answered nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #59

$25 at the one of the local shops Nikia Mar 2014 #25

"Trannys and differentials"? kristopher Mar 2014 #28

Yes, of course they do. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #32

OK, I guess that is technically a transmission... kristopher Mar 2014 #37

We need a federal law FreeJoe Mar 2014 #3

Cars were made for the oil industry. That's why the electric car was killed over 100 years ago. nt valerief Mar 2014 #16

And 20 years ago... KansDem Mar 2014 #18

Yeah, that's where I learned about it (I have the DVD). All those electric trolleys that provided valerief Mar 2014 #19

Yes, that was tragic for Los Angeles. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #34

You could ride the Metrolink. A HERETIC I AM Mar 2014 #51

Metrolink does not serve the densely populated coastal communities. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #54

Fair enough A HERETIC I AM Mar 2014 #56

Yes. For folks who live along the lines, it has been great. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #69

No FreeJoe Mar 2014 #70

Small range and long recharges MurrayDelph Mar 2014 #74

How much do you drive on average daily? kristopher Mar 2014 #76

Here in NJ the Dealers are forcing Tesla to close it's doors!!!! Walk away Mar 2014 #7

So wouldn't a lot of people lose their jobs? treestar Mar 2014 #8

Not to mention, "Oooog Not Trust New Techmology!" Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #61

Not having Tesla service centers and mechanics indie9197 Mar 2014 #9

They have service centers, but not many, because they come to YOU. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #17

Tesla S has a base price just under 60K. For that price, they should come over, fix the car Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #21

There's plenty of brands that sell $60k cars that treat you like shit. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #22

so the Tesla has no wearable parts? Bombero1956 Mar 2014 #15

Teslas don�t have any of the parts that force you to take your car in for �regularly scheduled Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #20

That's not what the article says. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #27

How many of us can afford a $70k new car? SheilaT Mar 2014 #23

Google "tesla gigafactory" kristopher Mar 2014 #77

Okay, so now I see they hope to have a car SheilaT Mar 2014 #82

The dealers are really pissed because they are not involved in the biggest cut... madinmaryland Mar 2014 #24

The Service Departments are the biggest profit center at most dealerships. bluedigger Mar 2014 #47

I don't disagree that they can be a very lucrative business. On the other hand madinmaryland Mar 2014 #49

Exactly. The initial sale is a small part of the dealership profit BlueStreak Mar 2014 #53

I think it is really a matter of scale. bluedigger Mar 2014 #63

I agree. There are no Lamborghini dealers in my state. BlueStreak Mar 2014 #65

But why should he not be able to market his cars in NJ now? bluedigger Mar 2014 #67

I would flip that around BlueStreak Mar 2014 #71

Are you seriously saying dealers do ANYTHING about lemons? kristopher Mar 2014 #78

He want factory owned stores, not franchised dealers. kristopher Mar 2014 #79

actually, most dealers lose money on new cars snooper2 Mar 2014 #91

The "sales dude" doesn't give a shit about cash or finance. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #93

You left out Undercoating. :) BlueStreak Mar 2014 #96

K&R for bookmarking: Tesla. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #26

Last I checked, no one ever hit a pothole in an app and bent an A-arm jmowreader Mar 2014 #29

I prefer working with the manufacturer. Screw dealers. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #35

This is government we're talking about jmowreader Mar 2014 #41

Elon Musk's Letter to the People of New Jersey kristopher Mar 2014 #30

I like Musk. He gets shit done. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #38

Now I'm worried about Musk jmowreader Mar 2014 #44

I would not worry about Musk, Tesla has a very bright future ahead of it Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #50

It's the delusion that auto dealers have something against electric cars jmowreader Mar 2014 #55

Tesla is working towards those $25,000 cars Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #64

Who cares if they have cars to sell? AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #66

You're saying an auto dealer that can't get electric cars would recommend them to his customers? jmowreader Mar 2014 #73

No, I'm saying if the dealer wants to exist, they better give the manufacturer a AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #75

I imagine stables had the same anxiety early in the last century... JCMach1 Mar 2014 #31

And a remarkable absence Turbineguy Mar 2014 #33

No wonder � I've been told dealers make more money on repairs than sales Auggie Mar 2014 #36

Terrific Post...I really hadn't thought about this ...of taking it into the shop Stuart G Mar 2014 #39

What is hard to understand sadoldgirl Mar 2014 #40

Tesla just recently announced they are building a huge new factory Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #48

"An app on 4 wheels"? Great, that means it can crash. All kidding aside, I wish him luck. 7962 Mar 2014 #42

I really look forward to the day they start making Teslas that I can afford Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #43

well gee at well over $50K each everyone is going to buy one. n/t. airplaneman Mar 2014 #45

The transition from piston engine to electric cars is already happening before our eyes. GETPLANING Mar 2014 #46

I'd still go with a Nissan LEAF if I was in the market for an e-car NickB79 Mar 2014 #52

We know Christie and his bunch are scared.. Cha Mar 2014 #60

In a week where the big auto news is the average American can't afford a new car or truck Johonny Mar 2014 #68

It may be a proxy for the REAL fight that lies ahead BlueStreak Mar 2014 #72

Perhaps you could link to that "argument" by Musk. kristopher Mar 2014 #80

BTW did you tell everyone you are shorting Tesla stock? kristopher Mar 2014 #81

Why should I? This thread is about dealerships. BlueStreak Mar 2014 #83

You've been all over DU talking down a company that you've shorted. kristopher Mar 2014 #84

Most of my posts were before I took a position BlueStreak Mar 2014 #85

You are acting every bit the typical short seller talking down a stock. kristopher Mar 2014 #86

I'm only interested in facts BlueStreak Mar 2014 #87

Only insofar as you can spin them to your benefit kristopher Mar 2014 #89

Nothing I type here will affect the valuation of Tesla stock or options BlueStreak Mar 2014 #90

I started research into unethical internet behavior watching shorts during the late 90s. kristopher Mar 2014 #92

Are you accusing me of unethical behavior at DU? BlueStreak Mar 2014 #94

But there are some moving parts that still will require service. haele Mar 2014 #88

I would love a Tesla JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #95