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colsohlibgal

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143. Obama Defenders Are Dogged And Dug In

Sun Mar 16, 2014, 02:19 PM

Mar 2014

It's hard to sway them. I voted for him twice, the first time enthusiastically. Then he brought in the in and out of Wall Street types, the Rubin crowd, as his financial team and so the bloom was quickly off the rose for me.

I voted for him again in 2012 but it was more a vote against Mr. 47%.

I get those funding appeals as well. I donate zip to the DCCC and Obama. I do donate to actual real liberal democrats and independents (Sanders).

We have to try to turn the river, to get the democrats off this third way semi republican path and back to it's populist roots. Hillary will likely be Bill Part 2 and that would not be what we need. My hope is that the real democratic wing of the democratic party will field someone to at least push Hillary leftward. Maybe Bernie Sanders can do it.

2014 counts, liberals need to get out and vote in off year elections, it's not as sexy as presidential elections but quite important, even in local races.

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Ah! An email from my good friend Barack. [View all] MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 OP

Would you rather he threatened to put Wall Street crooks and Bush era war criminals in jail and then tularetom Mar 2014 #1

"plenty of blood and teeth on the floor" MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #4

If he tried, I'd giv him credit for the effort Scootaloo Mar 2014 #31

How about he threatens to put Wall Street crooks and Bush era war criminals in jail and then demwing Mar 2014 #88

Hope springs eternal tularetom Mar 2014 #99

I think ProSense Mar 2014 #2

You forgot 2010 when ONLY people like Manny turned out and Independents and young voters stayed sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #20

LOL! OK. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #23

Thanks, better to acknowledge what caused a loss than ignore it and repeat the same mistake. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #135

Remember Aerows Mar 2014 #83

It makes perfect sense if you realize the objective is to crush the left. stillwaiting Mar 2014 #120

I know, at this point all people can do is laugh. But I know who I blame for the loss in 2010 and sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #124

+1 progressoid Mar 2014 #133

It's rather ironic Aerows Mar 2014 #149

Good friend? Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #3

Context, for those not familiar with Manny's opinion... SidDithers Mar 2014 #8

Funny how someone... Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #28

I had not seen that post before. MineralMan Mar 2014 #43

That sentiment oozes Control-Z Mar 2014 #50

You have so nailed it. Makes his loud though shrinking fan base here that much more hilarious Number23 Mar 2014 #110

Yup. View everything Manny writes through the prism of that post... SidDithers Mar 2014 #123

Here's what Manny posted: MineralMan Mar 2014 #66

That is very insightful ProSense Mar 2014 #116

I have to say that the poster's prognostication skills MineralMan Mar 2014 #117

You Better Believe It! nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #119

+1,000 nt MADem Mar 2014 #130

Exactly. n/t FSogol Mar 2014 #141

can you imagine how pissed off he was when obama got reelected? arely staircase Mar 2014 #122

actually when you think about it.... Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #140

Well, that's certainly elucidative....it explains a lot. MADem Mar 2014 #129

We should all just stay home. We're doomed anyway. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #5

FUD'ers gotta FUD...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #9

That's true. How about the Dem Party supporting Republicans, speaking of 'fudding'? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #127

that's what some people want JI7 Mar 2014 #10

Remember the: ProSense Mar 2014 #13

I guess he re-subscribed? Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #33

You do that if you wish, we'll be supporting actual Democrats time. Staying home won't take this sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #22

You won't be doing anything more than discouraging Democrats. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #34

I think I did say it. I will be supporting DEMOCRATS. Republicans have their own party. How about sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #125

If voting doesn't work, staying at home works even less demwing Mar 2014 #89

"Please vote for Democrats and send $10." Autumn Mar 2014 #6

Yeah, comfortable shoes are not cheap jsr Mar 2014 #38

Comfortable shoes are expensive. Autumn Mar 2014 #98

Are you sure that was written by him? yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #7

Heh, manny wrote that, trying to paraphrase. uppityperson Mar 2014 #15

Are we still welcome in the Democratic Party then? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #11

The are always glad to accept money from the left. And it's not personal when they disparage the rhett o rick Mar 2014 #12

Yes, too true. We are getting requests for money now also. But that's the first time we've heard sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #14

why would you want to be in a party like this ? i think some enjoy the feeling of victimhood JI7 Mar 2014 #16

Because it is OUR Party? Did you think we were going to just hand it over to the Third Way and sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #18

the party is made up mostly of people who say they want hillary for 2016 JI7 Mar 2014 #21

And who is she pitted against in those polls? Republicans! Of course they say that. But when she sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #25

no, i'm talking about just Democrats, she has the most support in the polls JI7 Mar 2014 #26

Against whom?? Who did she beat in those polls? She sure didn't beat Elizabeth Warren eg. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #27

most Dems don't know anything about Elizabeth Warren JI7 Mar 2014 #29

I dont understand your point. Are you suggesting the left abandon the Democratic Party? rhett o rick Mar 2014 #44

i'm saying some people don't really understand politics JI7 Mar 2014 #46

The OP is all about why people shouldn't support Dems, and ProSense Mar 2014 #56

yes JI7 Mar 2014 #62

That's not what the OP is about. The OP is about how Obama doesn't know how to come out cui bono Mar 2014 #113

No, ProSense Mar 2014 #115

No, cui bono Mar 2014 #147

Should we follow the lead of the party leadership and support Republicans, abandon the Democrats sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #126

We know them by their words. MADem Mar 2014 #131

We also know them by their acts. We know them when they support REPUBLICANS in Blue States sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #132

Gee, you mean like this guy, supporting a GOP Presidential candidate instead of a Democratic one? MADem Mar 2014 #134

They knew enough to choose Warren over Hillary when given the choice! n/t sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #128

They don't. I love her strong support for the US military, being a military retiree, myself. MADem Mar 2014 #136

i think they just use her to bash other Dems JI7 Mar 2014 #154

Of course they do, they're clueless. EW is in a different district every weekend. She doesn't stay MADem Mar 2014 #155

You're right to focus on congress demwing Mar 2014 #91

Nailed it. Scuba Mar 2014 #96

So you acknowledge that Hillary Clinton is not on the left? Marr Mar 2014 #102

Hillary has never claimed to be very left, but many of her supporters are JI7 Mar 2014 #106

If she's not, Warren isn't either. nt MADem Mar 2014 #137

Your contention is that Elizabeth Warren's positions are identical to Hillary Clinton's? Marr Mar 2014 #139

Agreed, I'm not a Democrat for that reason. joshcryer Mar 2014 #19

I'm in CO and thinking of changing my affiliation Autumn Mar 2014 #41

It's closed in Colorado unfortunately. joshcryer Mar 2014 #77

That's what I thought. So I guess I will remain a Democrat. Autumn Mar 2014 #80

Yeah, when I went back in '07 I defaulted as dem at the DMV. joshcryer Mar 2014 #90

I didn't think CO recognized an Independent Party. Autumn Mar 2014 #93

Oh right, I think it's called 'unaffilated.' joshcryer Mar 2014 #94

I don't know your age or background, but can YOU run? demwing Mar 2014 #92

Nope, older, crippled up, and can't afford to run. Autumn Mar 2014 #95

sabrina is going to be busy trying to primary the elected Dems who endorsed Christy. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #36

i hope she does if that's what she wants, but rarely do i see any effort to primary JI7 Mar 2014 #42

And some here would rush to kiss Christy's feet if he switched parties. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #49

Nonsense, but you'd have a point if you said Crist, because some have. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #65

The Centrists love Christy. I am surprised you didnt know. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #70

Actually no. Sabrina won't do that. ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #75

It's sad the President has to remind Americans he's not a dictator. joshcryer Mar 2014 #17

Must be tough for President Obama. The right is convinced he is a dictator, while the left bluestate10 Mar 2014 #100

No, I'm pretty pissed off that he ignores the Constitution. Maedhros Mar 2014 #109

Um... where is the left demanding he "ignore the Constitution and become a dictator in actuality"? cui bono Mar 2014 #114

How come politicians who allegedly want money out of politics always ask for money? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #24

It's a ruse to make you think you have some control. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #45

We elected him with a majority in the House and a super in the Senate. They STILL made excuses... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #30

YUP ... might as well stay home. We're doomed. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #37

I don't advocate staying home, but thinking it matters seems pretty silly at this point. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #69

Hey Manny... Check This Out From The DCCC... 'We Came Close...' WillyT Mar 2014 #32

Spin that wheel, Manny. Spin it!... SidDithers Mar 2014 #35

Apparently, Manny always lands on "Spin Again". JoePhilly Mar 2014 #40

And you spin the wheel of "Love that Status Quo". Why be outraged at 25% poverty rate for rhett o rick Mar 2014 #54

... SidDithers Mar 2014 #59

Really? LOL. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #68

You think your lame comment deserved more?... SidDithers Mar 2014 #73

It should have been, "Wheel of Ridicule." nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #76

OK, Costanza...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #78

Seems you guys believe in Democratic trickle down. Support Wall Street and they will rhett o rick Mar 2014 #85

... SidDithers Mar 2014 #87

We can always count on you to provide such intellectual responses. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #107

My intellect just can't compare with someone who comes up with "wheel of Love that Status Quo"... SidDithers Mar 2014 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Mar 2014 #112

Every once in a while you get something so right, Sid dahlink. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #150

... Fumesucker Mar 2014 #67

Great quote... SidDithers Mar 2014 #79

Egregious, Manny. MineralMan Mar 2014 #39

so it's like that letter from his friend about obamacare JI7 Mar 2014 #47

If that letter was a figment of Manny's MineralMan Mar 2014 #51

I hope he keeps going until we drive the corporatists out of our party. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #48

Do you? MineralMan Mar 2014 #52

Who knew that Manny Goldstein had such power??! My God! Number23 Mar 2014 #111

Hey I got a real letter with a cool bumper sticker in it. ucrdem Mar 2014 #53

Nah. Manny didn't even get an email, MineralMan Mar 2014 #57

Aw. Poor Manny. Maybe we should take up a collection. ucrdem Mar 2014 #63

I got the same email from the President asking for ten dollars. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #144

How about copying and pasting the content of it, MineralMan Mar 2014 #145

Here it is Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #146

That's quite different from Manny's snarky MineralMan Mar 2014 #148

Yes he did. I read the op before I posted. Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #153

It doesnt take much to make you happy. The hell with the poverty rate, you love Obama. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #60

That's really random. ucrdem Mar 2014 #61

I got the same letter. It was cool. nt bluestate10 Mar 2014 #101

Darn. blue neen Mar 2014 #55

Apparently you weren't a math major functioning_cog Mar 2014 #58

He forgot the part about TPP and KXL and Chained CPI and "All of the above" Doctor_J Mar 2014 #64

Well I can relate evilhime Mar 2014 #71

I signed up for local Democratic Congressional campaign Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #72

When the whole platform is "We suck less" don't expect position papers n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #82

And don't expect a turnout either. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #84

Yeah, staying home is going to solve lots of problems. nt bluestate10 Mar 2014 #103

I'm not the one you need to convince. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #104

Oh Manny sheshe2 Mar 2014 #74

Absolutely agree. We need a 2014 Contract with America BlueStreak Mar 2014 #81

Ever sense I asked to be removed from the DNC mailing list zeemike Mar 2014 #86

I've always skipped the MG/WT threads but checked-in and confirmed why n/t UTUSN Mar 2014 #97

I'm still waiting on my bumper stickers from 2012 seveneyes Mar 2014 #105

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #118

I just sent him $100 a check with "Manny Goldstein" in the memo space. Thanks for the inspiration. arely staircase Mar 2014 #121

+1,000 !!!! nt MADem Mar 2014 #138

K&R for pissing off all the RIGHT people! Rex Mar 2014 #142

Obama Defenders Are Dogged And Dug In colsohlibgal Mar 2014 #143

"Democrats we can all be proud of." Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #151

Gee!! I was gonna post something like underthematrix Mar 2014 #152