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In reply to the discussion: Do you believe that Putin's invasion of Ukraine was justified? [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)61. Right,
"Apparently, the people of Crimea do."
...because Putin didn't invade, huh?
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Ukraines southern-most region has been increasingly cut off from the outside world after Russia seized effective military control of the peninsula two weeks ago.
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http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/ukraine-clashes-and-abductions-ahead-disputed-crimea-vote-2014-03-14
Ukraines southern-most region has been increasingly cut off from the outside world after Russia seized effective military control of the peninsula two weeks ago.
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http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/ukraine-clashes-and-abductions-ahead-disputed-crimea-vote-2014-03-14
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However, Human Rights Watch observations on the ground in Crimea and interviews with people who had or were witnesses to interactions with self-defense units, suggest that these units operate outside any legal framework. Some wear camouflage clothes without insignia, others are in civilian clothes. Many wear armbands that symbolize loyalty to Russia with the colors of the Russian flag, or the black and orange St. George flag, the symbol of the highest Russian military honor. Units patrolling the streets are usually unarmed and do not wear masks, while those manning checkpoints, or other strategic locations, wear black balaclavas and carry automatic weapons, including AK-47s.
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http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/03/14/crimea-attacks-disappearances-illegal-forces
However, Human Rights Watch observations on the ground in Crimea and interviews with people who had or were witnesses to interactions with self-defense units, suggest that these units operate outside any legal framework. Some wear camouflage clothes without insignia, others are in civilian clothes. Many wear armbands that symbolize loyalty to Russia with the colors of the Russian flag, or the black and orange St. George flag, the symbol of the highest Russian military honor. Units patrolling the streets are usually unarmed and do not wear masks, while those manning checkpoints, or other strategic locations, wear black balaclavas and carry automatic weapons, including AK-47s.
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http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/03/14/crimea-attacks-disappearances-illegal-forces
Under Watch of Russian Troops, Crimea Votes on Secession
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine With thousands of heavily-armed Russian troops occupying this perenially embattled peninsula, the voters of Crimea went to the polls on Sunday to vote on secession from Ukraine in a public referendum that Western leaders have declared illegal...With the outcome of the vote virtually a foregone conclusion in a region that shares a language and centuries of history with Russia, the greater suspense lay in how swiftly and forcefully the United States and its European allies would levy threatened sanctions against allies of President Vladimir V. Putin, including senior Russian officials and business leaders. The answers were likely to depend to some degree on whether Mr. Putin showed any signs of acting quickly to annex Crimea or order further military incursion beyond Crimeas borders, perhaps to seize vital infrastructure including water and energy supplies.
Our people must be united in Russia, Yelena Parkholenko, 27, a manicurist with violet hair, said matter-of-factly after casting her vote at School No. 21 here in Simferopol...It was a sentiment repeated over and over again at polling stations as citizens with misgivings about joining Mr. Putins Russian Federation, particularly Crimean Tatars, a Muslim Turkic people with a history of persecution by Russia, generally opted to stay home rather than participate in what they called a rigged vote. The referendum offered no option that would maintain Crimeas current status of limited autonomy from the Ukrainian government in Kiev.
The referendum asked voters: Are you in favor of the reunification of Crimea with Russia as part of the Russian Federation? or Are you in favor of restoring the 1992 Constitution and the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine? The second choice would effectively grant Crimea independence without immediately breaking from Kiev, but such a break would be inevitable and the Ukrainian government, like the West, has rejected the vote as illegal.
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Russia on Saturday used its veto power as a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council to reject a resolution championed by the West that would have declared the referendum illegal. That left American and European officials scrambling to prepare a list of Russians to penalize, possibly including senior members of Mr. Putins inner circle.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/17/world/europe/crimea-ukraine-secession-vote-referendum.html
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine With thousands of heavily-armed Russian troops occupying this perenially embattled peninsula, the voters of Crimea went to the polls on Sunday to vote on secession from Ukraine in a public referendum that Western leaders have declared illegal...With the outcome of the vote virtually a foregone conclusion in a region that shares a language and centuries of history with Russia, the greater suspense lay in how swiftly and forcefully the United States and its European allies would levy threatened sanctions against allies of President Vladimir V. Putin, including senior Russian officials and business leaders. The answers were likely to depend to some degree on whether Mr. Putin showed any signs of acting quickly to annex Crimea or order further military incursion beyond Crimeas borders, perhaps to seize vital infrastructure including water and energy supplies.
Our people must be united in Russia, Yelena Parkholenko, 27, a manicurist with violet hair, said matter-of-factly after casting her vote at School No. 21 here in Simferopol...It was a sentiment repeated over and over again at polling stations as citizens with misgivings about joining Mr. Putins Russian Federation, particularly Crimean Tatars, a Muslim Turkic people with a history of persecution by Russia, generally opted to stay home rather than participate in what they called a rigged vote. The referendum offered no option that would maintain Crimeas current status of limited autonomy from the Ukrainian government in Kiev.
The referendum asked voters: Are you in favor of the reunification of Crimea with Russia as part of the Russian Federation? or Are you in favor of restoring the 1992 Constitution and the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine? The second choice would effectively grant Crimea independence without immediately breaking from Kiev, but such a break would be inevitable and the Ukrainian government, like the West, has rejected the vote as illegal.
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Russia on Saturday used its veto power as a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council to reject a resolution championed by the West that would have declared the referendum illegal. That left American and European officials scrambling to prepare a list of Russians to penalize, possibly including senior members of Mr. Putins inner circle.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/17/world/europe/crimea-ukraine-secession-vote-referendum.html
The other was called a March for Peace, convened by the opposition to President Vladimir V. Putin. Holding paper doves aloft, they chanted Putin Is Afraid of the Maidan and a Ukrainian phrase that translates as Putin, Get Out! The police estimated that there were 3,000 people in this crowd, but it seemed many times larger, in the tens of thousands, filling a boulevard with bodies for many blocks. The split reaction here reflects domestic tensions. Mr. Putin, who was shaken by large antigovernment demonstrations in Moscow two years ago, is using the confrontation to consolidate the public behind his rule, tapping into the deep well of emotion about the Soviet Unions suffering at the hands of Nazi Germany. The authorities have tried to mobilize support on federal television channels, and have muted independent voices on the Internet.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/16/world/europe/as-putins-popularity-soars-voices-of-opposition-are-being-drowned-out.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/16/world/europe/as-putins-popularity-soars-voices-of-opposition-are-being-drowned-out.html

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Russia invaded Ukraine? When? I don't watch the Corporate media so it's possible I missed it.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#11
Crimea is an autonomous part of Ukraine, given to them by Kruschev without a referendum from the
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#42
What does any of it have to do with us? Why are we sending so much money there when we are
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#49
Well at least you haven't tried to deny that fact. I'm amazed that there are people here trying to
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#105
Well, then explain it to us ignorant morans. The Crimeans asked for help from Russia, Russian troops
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#50
I see. So the unelected government in Ukraine has rights an elected government
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#173
The Ukrainian and Crimean parliaments are still the people elected at their last elections
muriel_volestrangler
Mar 2014
#175
What's forcing me is that our tax dollars are being spent over there while we are told
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#188
I was just told that the May election will only be for the Presidency. That's not going
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#193
That's really for the people to decide, isn't it? How do YOU know how those who elected
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#196
Yanukovych was removed because of his use of violence against protesters
muriel_volestrangler
Mar 2014
#197
You are speaking for tens of millions of people. I don't give much credence to
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#198
What are you saying? Are you contradicting the fact that Crimea is and has been autonomous since it
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#104
Lol, Crimea is autonomous. That is just a fact. Now they have voted to be part of Russia. One of the
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#134
Not occupied no matter how often you say it. Looks like the world is accepting Crimea's decision, so
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#139
I thought I missed something, thanks, I didn't think so. Faux is probably claiming
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#16
Crimea is the only autonomous part of Ukraine, which means it is up to the Crimean people whether or
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#43
How do you make decisions when they won't let you have the option to remain in Ukraine?
hrmjustin
Mar 2014
#44
What do you mean you don't have the option? If you want to remain in Ukraine, then don't vote
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#52
So, they could have voted to remain independent of either Russia or Ukraine, and if there was no
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#58
Ukraine has had no election at all. Does that bother too? We have no idea what the Ukrainian people
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#96
Yes considering there are reports that there are some unsavory characters in charge now.
hrmjustin
Mar 2014
#97
Neo Nazis are evil and seeing that it is no surprise that the people of Crimea
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#98
We ARE being quiet and minding our own business about a whole lot worse situations around the world.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#100
I am not asking the goverment to police the world. But if Putin thinks he can do this all
hrmjustin
Mar 2014
#102
seems like the whole affair needs a do-over from pre-coup on. how about elections with fresh faces?
Adam051188
Mar 2014
#127
Putin has and had no intention of invading Ukraine. You have forgotten what happened there.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#137
No I do not think he will be that stupid. I'm more worried about the government they have now and
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#142
Are you serious about Argentina? Seriously, have you studied what happened to Argentina
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#208
not exactly...the 1992 option kept them as an autonomous part of the Ukraine
magical thyme
Mar 2014
#103
Well they know the percentages of voters. The Guardian reported that 20% did hold
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#154
They did....they had two options...1) to stay with Ukraine with some autonomy or
snappyturtle
Mar 2014
#111
I am searching for video proof now! I heard that and I'm trying to sort out
snappyturtle
Mar 2014
#114
Even if you didn't consider it Ukrainian, Putin has taken two towns in Ukraine.
joshcryer
Mar 2014
#89
I took out my pompoms and everything, haven't used them since I was cheerleading Saddam!
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#19
Would you like to borrow my pom poms? Someone told me to get them out, so I did.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#210
I wonder if there's any corrolation between the Putin-lovers and the Snowden-lovers?
baldguy
Mar 2014
#33
The actual People of Crimea were ethnically cleansed by Stalin 70 years ago
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#74
At least three of the most pro-Russian folks I've noted from discussions haven't voted.
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#133
There are at least three more stridently pro-Putin/Russia folks who haven't voted.
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#185
I voted no but the rhetoric from both Fox News and the State Department is really dumb. /nt
Ash_F
Mar 2014
#153
Not at all. That said I see very little to do about it and Putin's pretexts are closer to making
TheKentuckian
Mar 2014
#178