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JustAnotherGen

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77. I'll pass -here's why . . .

Sun Mar 16, 2014, 04:56 PM

Mar 2014

How will it affect the children living there? We may not know for a long time. My mother in law (passed away in July of this year), father in law, and another ex boyfriend's mother were children of WW II. Aunt Philomena, Dora - uncle Angelo, uncle, etc - more children of war. Uncle Nicolo and Aunt Hortensia have pictures in their living room of them with Mussolini - ie hip deep in the shit as 20 something's. The other brother died as a partisan.

For me - what does it mean for the little people that this is happening around?

It's not a cop out. Good, bad, indifferent - there are children in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan by my country's hand are suffering.

I just don't want children to suffer. Needlessly. By my country's hand or another - enough.

This action creates nothing. It just destroys.

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Do you believe that Putin's invasion of Ukraine was justified? [View all] ProSense Mar 2014 OP

... Rex Mar 2014 #1

LOL! n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #2

Oh noes! Pros poll is not going the way he wants it to! Rex Mar 2014 #5

Laughter? Fear of exposure? ProSense Mar 2014 #8

Russia invaded Ukraine? When? I don't watch the Corporate media so it's possible I missed it. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #11

He has a sadz, got called out for hippie punching on DU...so now there is a poll Rex Mar 2014 #15

A Sadz? sharp_stick Mar 2014 #18

Girls? Only girls act silly? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #30

Oh noes you are getting hit with the links of desperation now! Rex Mar 2014 #41

Oh my! ProSense Mar 2014 #29

Here you go ProSense Mar 2014 #35

Crimea is an autonomous part of Ukraine, given to them by Kruschev without a referendum from the sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #42

What does that have to do with Putin's invasion? n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #46

What does any of it have to do with us? Why are we sending so much money there when we are sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #49

Nice try at deflecting from Putin's invasion. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #56

Sophistry... NervousRex Mar 2014 #205

Well at least you haven't tried to deny that fact. I'm amazed that there are people here trying to sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #105

Chechnya. Igel Mar 2014 #48

Well, then explain it to us ignorant morans. The Crimeans asked for help from Russia, Russian troops sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #50

Explanation: autonomous regions cannot invite in foreign powers muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #161

I see. So the unelected government in Ukraine has rights an elected government sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #173

The Ukrainian and Crimean parliaments are still the people elected at their last elections muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #175

What's forcing me is that our tax dollars are being spent over there while we are told sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #188

The presidential election would have been in 2015 muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #189

I was just told that the May election will only be for the Presidency. That's not going sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #193

The parliament still has the same representatives in muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #195

That's really for the people to decide, isn't it? How do YOU know how those who elected sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #196

Yanukovych was removed because of his use of violence against protesters muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #197

You are speaking for tens of millions of people. I don't give much credence to sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #198

yeah that totally isn't the Kremlin/rt line nt arely staircase Mar 2014 #101

What are you saying? Are you contradicting the fact that Crimea is and has been autonomous since it sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #104

the Kremlin is changing things alright arely staircase Mar 2014 #107

Lol, Crimea is autonomous. That is just a fact. Now they have voted to be part of Russia. One of the sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #134

hell yeah arely staircase Mar 2014 #136

Not occupied no matter how often you say it. Looks like the world is accepting Crimea's decision, so sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #139

Oh I might just hold out...I don't want to see you with a total sadz. Rex Mar 2014 #12

Hell no! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #3

No treestar Mar 2014 #4

yes. there is a right way and a wrong way to do things nt arely staircase Mar 2014 #6

Oh, it is necessary... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #71

Kick functioning_cog Mar 2014 #7

Like the Tatars in Crimea, putinistas are boycotting functioning_cog Mar 2014 #9

... Rex Mar 2014 #17

He didn't invade the Ukraine. reformist2 Mar 2014 #10

Crimea is Ukraine. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #14

I thought I missed something, thanks, I didn't think so. Faux is probably claiming sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #16

Well they tried the Saddam is a Bad Man canard. Didn't work out so well. Rex Mar 2014 #20

Yeah, you "missed" the invasion. ProSense Mar 2014 #24

Well, when did it happen? I did miss it, obviously! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #34

Crimea is Ukrainian territory. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #28

Crimea is the only autonomous part of Ukraine, which means it is up to the Crimean people whether or sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #43

How do you make decisions when they won't let you have the option to remain in Ukraine? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #44

What do you mean you don't have the option? If you want to remain in Ukraine, then don't vote sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #52

the option was not on the ballot. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #54

So, they could have voted to remain independent of either Russia or Ukraine, and if there was no sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #58

If they wanted a legit election then they would have added the option. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #60

Ukraine has had no election at all. Does that bother too? We have no idea what the Ukrainian people sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #96

Yes considering there are reports that there are some unsavory characters in charge now. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #97

Neo Nazis are evil and seeing that it is no surprise that the people of Crimea sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #98

So we shoukd just be quiet and mind our own business? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #99

We ARE being quiet and minding our own business about a whole lot worse situations around the world. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #100

I am not asking the goverment to police the world. But if Putin thinks he can do this all hrmjustin Mar 2014 #102

seems like the whole affair needs a do-over from pre-coup on. how about elections with fresh faces? Adam051188 Mar 2014 #127

That is up for the people of Ukraine to decide. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #129

i hope so. Adam051188 Mar 2014 #131

that is of course assuming that we need to be involved at all Adam051188 Mar 2014 #132

Putin has and had no intention of invading Ukraine. You have forgotten what happened there. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #137

You think that Putin won't go after the rest of Ukraine? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #140

No I do not think he will be that stupid. I'm more worried about the government they have now and sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #142

I hope your right on both counts. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #143

Putin had no intention of invading sabbat hunter Mar 2014 #190

How would you describe the current unelected government in Ukraine? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #192

abput the same as the old one sabbat hunter Mar 2014 #199

So it's a Western Puppet rather than an Eastern Puppet. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #203

I think with a pro-western ruler sabbat hunter Mar 2014 #206

Are you serious about Argentina? Seriously, have you studied what happened to Argentina sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #208

in greece sabbat hunter Mar 2014 #211

You are going to get nothing but double speak from that one davidpdx Mar 2014 #156

I respect her. She gives her argument. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #171

you are a much better person than I could ever hope to be dlwickham Mar 2014 #147

I respect her. She gives her argument. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #150

When Putin takes Eastern Ukraine, I hope that respect is lost. joshcryer Mar 2014 #160

That is adorable... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #167

Sanctions against the oligarchs. joshcryer Mar 2014 #169

the ones in Russia? sabbat hunter Mar 2014 #200

Hardly, no big names. joshcryer Mar 2014 #202

I guess you haven't seen sabbat hunter Mar 2014 #207

This was a referendum. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #95

not exactly...the 1992 option kept them as an autonomous part of the Ukraine magical thyme Mar 2014 #103

Well they know the percentages of voters. The Guardian reported that 20% did hold sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #154

They did....they had two options...1) to stay with Ukraine with some autonomy or snappyturtle Mar 2014 #111

Was that clear on the ballot? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #113

I am searching for video proof now! I heard that and I'm trying to sort out snappyturtle Mar 2014 #114

cnn said it was merky. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #115

I couldn't find m original source however this morning I found the snappyturtle Mar 2014 #155

Thanks for looking. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #170

That's what I so often think of referendums written in the negative! snappyturtle Mar 2014 #172

The whole thing is a mess and I fear that this will hurt us all in the end. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #174

Even if you didn't consider it Ukrainian, Putin has taken two towns in Ukraine. joshcryer Mar 2014 #89

Thats true. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #91

The irony of that will be lost on the pro-Russian pro-invasion people davidpdx Mar 2014 #157

It's why the Putinists have yet to vote. joshcryer Mar 2014 #159

LOL davidpdx Mar 2014 #163

Really? ProSense Mar 2014 #21

And you are not dumb functioning_cog Mar 2014 #22

.. Cha Mar 2014 #135

Ummmm, yeah ... he did. But the ignorance inherent in your comment is ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #23

Yea! RT says they were greeted as liberators!! (nt) jeff47 Mar 2014 #31

They were, by some. Igel Mar 2014 #51

It's Ukraine, not THE Ukraine... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #65

Actually, he has two towns outside of Crimea. joshcryer Mar 2014 #88

+1 grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #212

23 Putinistas-in-hiding! Scootaloo Mar 2014 #13

I took out my pompoms and everything, haven't used them since I was cheerleading Saddam! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #19

LOL! Cheer: Down with Bush! Up with Putin! ProSense Mar 2014 #26

Would you like to borrow my pom poms? Someone told me to get them out, so I did. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #210

That long? I had 'em out when I was cheering for Assad! Scootaloo Mar 2014 #53

Lol, I missed the call for Assad! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #55

I didn't think Gaddafi needed 'em Scootaloo Mar 2014 #57

True, he certainly had quite a wardrobe! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #62

I missed you at last month's PolPotLuck dinner. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #209

Lol, Pol Pot, our favorite Dictator, and I missed it? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #213

This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Mar 2014 #25

Impossible! ProSense Mar 2014 #27

Might I suggest... Scootaloo Mar 2014 #93

Nope, not a fan of group think. ProSense Mar 2014 #94

It is unlikely they will vote. joshcryer Mar 2014 #87

And there's the conspiracy theorist logic! Welcome to the thread, CT Logic! Scootaloo Mar 2014 #90

That was a factual observation. joshcryer Mar 2014 #92

K&R for pissing off all the RIGHT people! Rex Mar 2014 #32

Thanks. I'll put this here ProSense Mar 2014 #36

Yes you do seem very nervous. Why is that? Rex Mar 2014 #37

. ProSense Mar 2014 #38

I know, you will be okay. I LOVE this poll BTW! Rex Mar 2014 #39

I wonder if there's any corrolation between the Putin-lovers and the Snowden-lovers? baldguy Mar 2014 #33

Or the Saddam lovers? n/t sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #45

There is, want to know what they have in common davidpdx Mar 2014 #158

Nope TomClash Mar 2014 #40

Apparently, the people of Crimea do. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #47

Right, ProSense Mar 2014 #61

They're voting over 70% in favor of alignment with Russia. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #64

Oh, ProSense Mar 2014 #67

Voting at gunpoint? They're being forced to the polls? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #69

Yes - they were forced at gunpoint to the polls and told how to vote. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #73

That's ProSense Mar 2014 #76

You misread dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #78

It's all illegal and controlled by Russia ProSense Mar 2014 #83

The highest turnout I see is 44%. joshcryer Mar 2014 #84

Guardian is quoting over 80% dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #85

I found it, here's the exact quote: joshcryer Mar 2014 #86

What happened to the 23% in an unbiased poll? seattledo Mar 2014 #141

I'm sure it would've gone for Russia either way. joshcryer Mar 2014 #151

If the U.S. did something like this... Adrahil Mar 2014 #164

The actual People of Crimea were ethnically cleansed by Stalin 70 years ago Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #74

Tell it to Andrew Jackson and the Cherokees. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #75

he's dead nt arely staircase Mar 2014 #79

So is Joe Stalin. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #176

Thank you, Tuquoque_y_Libertad. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #82

Yeah, because that makes it OK if other people do it? Adrahil Mar 2014 #165

Fly Paper Poll bahrbearian Mar 2014 #59

Why? ProSense Mar 2014 #63

Conniving OP... RedFury Mar 2014 #66

More ProSense Mar 2014 #68

They already had ports on Mediterranean. And securing the port city functioning_cog Mar 2014 #138

I have been hearing people moan awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #70

"I cannot see it in this poll." ProSense Mar 2014 #72

They have so far not voted in it. joshcryer Mar 2014 #80

I'll pass -here's why . . . JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #77

Crimea wasn't the only vote boycotted today. joshcryer Mar 2014 #81

Simply put.....FUCK no. n/t AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #106

What invasion of Ukraine are you talking about? rdharma Mar 2014 #108

The one ProSense Mar 2014 #109

Results of referendum are in..... rdharma Mar 2014 #110

LOL! ProSense Mar 2014 #112

Something tells me you are still fighting the cold war. rdharma Mar 2014 #117

Yeah, ProSense Mar 2014 #119

Like I said..... the RW putsch lost! rdharma Mar 2014 #120

Like I said...denial. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #121

Facts! nt rdharma Mar 2014 #122

There are more than two choices. jeff47 Mar 2014 #128

No, one RW putsch lost. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #130

“The referendum itself doesn’t mean anything,” she added" Cha Mar 2014 #145

Right or wrong, Putin gonna Putin. PorridgeGun Mar 2014 #116

No. What's the Administration going to do about it? rug Mar 2014 #118

5 vs 125. Rex Mar 2014 #123

Now: 5 vs 128 ProSense Mar 2014 #124

It proves the total nonsense from that other thread. Rex Mar 2014 #125

Did you vote in the poll? stevenleser Mar 2014 #126

I don't participate in propaganda, I leave that to you. Rex Mar 2014 #180

At least three of the most pro-Russian folks I've noted from discussions haven't voted. stevenleser Mar 2014 #133

Well go get those commies! Maybe you can take the ghost of McCarthy with you! Rex Mar 2014 #181

Commies? Once again, you keep using that word... stevenleser Mar 2014 #182

Well that is the first time I used it here, but I wouldn't expect you Rex Mar 2014 #184

who are the 6 tools that voted yes dlwickham Mar 2014 #144

Here for all the world to see.. it says "show user names".. Cha Mar 2014 #146

it's been a long day for me dlwickham Mar 2014 #148

.. Cha Mar 2014 #149

There are at least three more stridently pro-Putin/Russia folks who haven't voted. stevenleser Mar 2014 #185

How on Earth could any DUer vote "yes"? nt Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #152

I voted no but the rhetoric from both Fox News and the State Department is really dumb. /nt Ash_F Mar 2014 #153

Frankly, I don't lose sleep over Ukraine. B Calm Mar 2014 #162

no one lost sleep over the sudetenland either. mgcgulfcoast Mar 2014 #166

I do lose sleep over our wasteful spending trying to police the world, B Calm Mar 2014 #168

We currently have an OP with 49 recs that says it was. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #177

There is a bizarre ProSense Mar 2014 #179

Cognitive dissonance is cognativey. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #183

Nice find. joshcryer Mar 2014 #201

Not at all. That said I see very little to do about it and Putin's pretexts are closer to making TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #178

Wow, who knew this poll would prove a small group of radicals on DU Rex Mar 2014 #186

Wheres the hell no option? William769 Mar 2014 #187

The Putin Seven may not be aware of the "Show Usernames" feature. KamaAina Mar 2014 #191

Is it an invasion when you are invited? TBF Mar 2014 #194

I'll give you a dumb answer to a dumb question. Yes demosincebirth Mar 2014 #204