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AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
39. I'm afraid there's a problem here.
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 08:01 PM
Mar 2014

The majority(not all, though, but many) of *conservative* pro-slavery Southerners truly were very much pro-loyalist right up until the war began to end ca. 1780 or so. Somersett had very little to do with the Revolution as a whole, and it was, again, mainly to save their own asses that *conservative* Southerners finally (reluctantly) joined the Rebellion. More liberal Southerners, such as Washington and Jefferson, were either ambivalent to slavery or, in some cases, even wanted it to come to an end eventually. And certainly, virtually all of the Northern Founders wanted it gone as well.

The Somersett decision, I'm afraid, was a bit of a fluke of history anyway, under the circumstances; British support for abolition outside the Northern Colonies in North America was still very much small until after the Revolution and it took the brilliant oration of William Wilberforce and others to really turn the tide, and that wasn't for another couple decades *after* Somersett(the slave trade, in fact, continued until 1807. Only in Britain proper were slaves freed. This did not affect the American colonies or the Caribbean).

Had we lost the war, there is, sadly, a fairly good chance that slavery would *not* have ended earlier than in our world, in the *South of America. Many liberal Britons were indeed genuinely egalitarian for the day but many conservatives mainly jumped on the bandwagon just so they could find another excuse for anti-Americanism, and had it not been for that, it's reasonable to assume that in the rest of the colonies, slavery might have lingered on for another decade, or maybe close to two. Or even three, maybe.

BTW, Bacon's Rebellion had nothing to do with the Revolution, either.....and in fact, the defeat of that uprising actually proved to be a *boon* for slavery as it essentially popularized the concept of hardcore racial divisions in British North America.

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Secession is an act done by equal members in a union to withdraw from that union Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #1
If I was back in the 1770s yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #2
You just can't find a good samurai anymore. kwassa Mar 2014 #16
Wonderful !!!! pangaia Mar 2014 #21
Heck of a costume. Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #27
Oh... I don't know about that.... yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #29
who is that? kwassa Mar 2014 #32
The first one is yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #36
Yes I would have fully backed revolution. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #3
You're in good company MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #4
I would definitely have joined the rebels. "Royalty" disgusts me, and I would Zorra Mar 2014 #5
Speaking as a student of history.....yes, it was. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #6
Actually, the truth is the opposite. Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #35
I'm afraid there's a problem here. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #39
Taking them one at a time, bottom up, Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #40
Republicans would've been loyal to the status quo, to the Crown. Lex Mar 2014 #7
Well, probably more just conservative Southerners than Goppers in general. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #10
Nope. The average Republican still sucks up to the rich. Loves the status quo. Lex Mar 2014 #26
I guess so, but I still think a lot of it applies even more to Southern goppers than their Yankee... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #34
It was - the moment we won. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #8
America would eventually have become independent anyway. Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #9
I would have politely asked the British to back off first seveneyes Mar 2014 #11
That happened. It did not go well. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #17
I would have hired Ninjas to kill the king AngryAmish Mar 2014 #12
Considering my family was still in Italy until 1914 Arcanetrance Mar 2014 #13
Yes MFrohike Mar 2014 #14
the revolutionary war split families. unblock Mar 2014 #15
If a people want to leave one nation and/or join another, the US should have no issue with that. reformist2 Mar 2014 #18
Seems like Canada made out okay. They got a Parlimentary System and Health care. YOHABLO Mar 2014 #19
But did the Revolutionary war influence the outcome in Canada? yellowcanine Mar 2014 #22
It probably depends a lot on which religious group and social strata you were in. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #20
Yep CFLDem Mar 2014 #23
Yes. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #24
Depends on who you ask now doesn't it? Rex Mar 2014 #25
You want a Queen who lives thousands of miles away in another country? africanadian Mar 2014 #28
A small price to pay for universal healthcare (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #31
No, not even close. It was a land grab. cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #33
The Revolutionary War was about oil and fracking! FSogol Mar 2014 #37
Too soon! JEFF9K Mar 2014 #38
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