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ProSense

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23. Any way
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 08:44 PM
Mar 2014

"How do you recognize a military coup in Egypt and remain silent when the democratically elected President in locked up by said military and then say a referendum is a violation of international law and is illegal."

...you slice it, Putin's actions were illegal. From an editorial posted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024675127

Russia’s dispatch of military forces to Crimea is a clear violation of international law. Putin justifies the invasion as necessary to protect Russian citizens and allies, but this is a fig leaf. The Obama administration is right to condemn it, although much of the world will grimace at the irony of Secretary Kerry denouncing the invasion of a sovereign country even as the United States only now winds down its “war of choice” against Iraq, which is thousands of miles away from US borders. Crimea, of course, not only abuts Russia but houses its Black Sea Fleet, which, by treaty agreement between Ukraine and Russia, is set to remain there until at least 2042. Crimea historically was part of Russia until 1954, when Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev transferred it to Ukraine in what many viewed as a gesture of good will.

People are focusing on hypocrisy, when it's also hypocritical to condemn the Iraq invasion, and then try to use other events to justify Putin's illegal invasion.

The editorial's point that the "world will grimace at the irony" isn't relevant to the fact of the illegality. In fact, the UN voted to condemn Russia, and even China left Russia out in the cold.









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Who are you talking about? joshcryer Mar 2014 #1
Your government did as did most of the Western governments malaise Mar 2014 #3
OK, so the government, gotcha. joshcryer Mar 2014 #5
"Your government" geek tragedy Mar 2014 #9
And appropriately so. Igel Mar 2014 #22
the government that kept funding it? BelgianMadCow Mar 2014 #4
OK, just wanted to know what page we're on. joshcryer Mar 2014 #6
I understood that you were thinking this was meta - a discussion about DU BelgianMadCow Mar 2014 #8
This malaise Mar 2014 #7
we will not say it was not a coup = double negative WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #13
Indeed n/t malaise Mar 2014 #15
Language =/= syllogism. Igel Mar 2014 #24
All the faith he had had had had had no effect on the outcome of his life. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #30
Got away with it in Honduras. Downwinder Mar 2014 #25
Yes. Iraq + Egypt = end of standing BelgianMadCow Mar 2014 #2
The world is not a blog. Standing does not evaporate with a mere geek tragedy Mar 2014 #12
I just read Naom Chomsky's Failed States - which deals with the hypocrisy about spreading democracy BelgianMadCow Mar 2014 #14
One must distinguish between hypocrisy and failure. Igel Mar 2014 #26
we've also recognized a coup(of questionable origins) in Ukraine as a legitimate government. Adam051188 Mar 2014 #10
is that why Putin crushes democracy at home and abroad arely staircase Mar 2014 #17
um, sure? i think? you should read this. Adam051188 Mar 2014 #18
I see no BRICS members shpported Russian aggression at the UN arely staircase Mar 2014 #19
Ukraine is squirrelly. Igel Mar 2014 #28
Lol. Wah Wah. The US will speak up anyway. Deal with it. functioning_cog Mar 2014 #11
Don't forget Bostonians and their Damned Tea Bad Thoughts Mar 2014 #16
Everytime the West invokes international law, it destroys international law just a little bit more. Catherina Mar 2014 #20
Wasn't that John Bolton's plan malaise Mar 2014 #21
Yes. Another stunning Bush success being cemented in Catherina Mar 2014 #32
Any way ProSense Mar 2014 #23
However from a standpoint of ethics, it's a good question Scootaloo Mar 2014 #29
law is whatever the strongest party says it is. this isn't Athens 2800 years ago. Adam051188 Mar 2014 #27
Hypocrisy is not a concept relevant to foreign policy FarCenter Mar 2014 #31
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