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Igel

(37,458 posts)
26. One must distinguish between hypocrisy and failure.
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 09:08 PM
Mar 2014

It's like distinguishing between a and an untruth.

Both are necessary to avoid wholesale collapse of any attempt at morality. Both involve an other-based definition, because the listener's perception isn't what's at stake.

I can say that my wife is at the store and be lying. Perhaps I know she's elsewhere but wish for you to believe she's at the store to save face or for some other reason. Or perhaps I honestly believe she's at the store and am incorrect--perhaps I've been deceived, perhaps her car broke down and she's walking home. In each case what I'm saying is untrue; in one case it's a lie, and in the other it's a simple untruth. Intent and speaker knowledge matters, not what the listener decides, based on emotion or attitude, the speaker must mean. We tend to decry untruths from those we don't like as lies; we tend to assume out-and-out lies by those we do like are mere accidents.


Hypocrisy is imposing on another a rule or moral precept that you do not believe holds in your case. Ways can be found to make something technically not hypocritical. A UN resolution, for instance, often works, but that presupposes a purely formal, amoral view of what law and codes of behavior are. There is no "principle" behind morality except it's what those with power (or a majority) say is moral for the moment. This week we are inclusive and that's moral because we say so; next week we round up all the Japanese and put them in internment camps and that's moral because we say so. It's a thin reed as far as support goes.

Failure is not upholding your moral views, possibly through weakness or even through self-deception. The distinction can be subtle: I've known people who condemn others for drinking while drinking themselves into oblivion. In some cases the next day in some cases the condemners beat themselves up for falling off the wagon and acting like asses; in other cases, the attitude is that they've earned the right to be lushes but the kids haven't. One's weakness; the other is hypocrisy. Humility is necessary for refraining from issuing the easy judgment--"hypocrisy vs weakness" is a hard judgment, "do I dislike the person or like him" is the easier question to answer and is substituted for the hard question. Again, we tend to accuse those we don't like of hypocrisy; those we like we tend to think of as having a moral failing.

Neither makes the moral precept void. There's nothing about a hypocrite saying, "Stealing is wrong" that suddenly makes stealing right. If stealing is wrong, it's wrong no matter who says it's wrong. We use an ad hominem argument to avoid having theft condemned for one of two reasons: We want to defend the current thief or we want to condemn the person speaking. In the case of Crimea, some want to defend Russia; others really are indifferent to Crimea, Ukraine, and Russia, and just want to condemn the US for something still stuck in their craw. Again, we have a difficult question and instead of dealing with hard thinking we substitute an easy one: What do I want to do?

Critical thinking is hard thinking.

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Who are you talking about? joshcryer Mar 2014 #1
Your government did as did most of the Western governments malaise Mar 2014 #3
OK, so the government, gotcha. joshcryer Mar 2014 #5
"Your government" geek tragedy Mar 2014 #9
And appropriately so. Igel Mar 2014 #22
the government that kept funding it? BelgianMadCow Mar 2014 #4
OK, just wanted to know what page we're on. joshcryer Mar 2014 #6
I understood that you were thinking this was meta - a discussion about DU BelgianMadCow Mar 2014 #8
This malaise Mar 2014 #7
we will not say it was not a coup = double negative WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #13
Indeed n/t malaise Mar 2014 #15
Language =/= syllogism. Igel Mar 2014 #24
All the faith he had had had had had no effect on the outcome of his life. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #30
Got away with it in Honduras. Downwinder Mar 2014 #25
Yes. Iraq + Egypt = end of standing BelgianMadCow Mar 2014 #2
The world is not a blog. Standing does not evaporate with a mere geek tragedy Mar 2014 #12
I just read Naom Chomsky's Failed States - which deals with the hypocrisy about spreading democracy BelgianMadCow Mar 2014 #14
One must distinguish between hypocrisy and failure. Igel Mar 2014 #26
we've also recognized a coup(of questionable origins) in Ukraine as a legitimate government. Adam051188 Mar 2014 #10
is that why Putin crushes democracy at home and abroad arely staircase Mar 2014 #17
um, sure? i think? you should read this. Adam051188 Mar 2014 #18
I see no BRICS members shpported Russian aggression at the UN arely staircase Mar 2014 #19
Ukraine is squirrelly. Igel Mar 2014 #28
Lol. Wah Wah. The US will speak up anyway. Deal with it. functioning_cog Mar 2014 #11
Don't forget Bostonians and their Damned Tea Bad Thoughts Mar 2014 #16
Everytime the West invokes international law, it destroys international law just a little bit more. Catherina Mar 2014 #20
Wasn't that John Bolton's plan malaise Mar 2014 #21
Yes. Another stunning Bush success being cemented in Catherina Mar 2014 #32
Any way ProSense Mar 2014 #23
However from a standpoint of ethics, it's a good question Scootaloo Mar 2014 #29
law is whatever the strongest party says it is. this isn't Athens 2800 years ago. Adam051188 Mar 2014 #27
Hypocrisy is not a concept relevant to foreign policy FarCenter Mar 2014 #31
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