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122. Actually, he fled before the music started.

Mon Mar 17, 2014, 08:42 AM

Mar 2014

And "legitimate" is in the eye of the beholder. I have worked in intel-related fields and see the need for some foreign operations. Most of what Snowden has revealed does not strike me as legitimate or necessary operations, even if they may be nominally legal.

I am not the only one that thinks that our intel services do - to a great extent - not work in the interest of the american populace but only for a very small and select subset of them. As long as that is true I wil cheer any reasonable effort at exposing them. I only feel that obligation towards services that act in my name, so I feel no need to add a general caveat that also calls out ALL other intel services. The other country that I am a citizen of manages quite well without all of these operations.

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Time to Come Home, Edward Snowden, and Stop Hiding Behind a Corrupt Regime [View all] DonViejo Mar 2014 OP

Of course...And, as a practical matter BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #1

For many it's both a lever and a fulcrum big enough to move the Earth. n/t Igel Mar 2014 #8

He'd have to be stupid to come back ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #2

he doesn't want to live in a country that spies on its citizens arely staircase Mar 2014 #6

Viktor Shenderovich just laughed BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #10

He would be an idiot to come home at this time. Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #31

True that. n/t ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #49

+1 Scuba Mar 2014 #110

Exactly. n/t Titonwan Mar 2014 #125

agreed nt G_j Mar 2014 #126

Well said. Plus he is stuck in Russia because the US pulled his passport, not by his own choice. nt cui bono Mar 2014 #135

He chose to fly there. idendoit Mar 2014 #143

and....? cui bono Mar 2014 #146

Do you do so as a thief, liar and traitor? idendoit Mar 2014 #147

Possibly. How does that change anything? cui bono Mar 2014 #148

Well, then the US government is well within the law... idendoit Mar 2014 #149

You're not proving me wrong here. What is your point? cui bono Mar 2014 #150

He's stuck in Russia because he chose to flee there. idendoit Mar 2014 #152

No, he is stuck in Russia because the US govt revoked his passport. cui bono Mar 2014 #156

Your not proving me wrong here. What's your point? idendoit Mar 2014 #159

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was dealing with a jr. high school kid. cui bono Mar 2014 #164

I agree, it must be quite the burden. idendoit Mar 2014 #185

AND Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #182

Capt. Obtuse? Quo vadis? idendoit Mar 2014 #183

Cui hit the nail on the head Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #184

No, he doesn't want to disappear ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #50

he and putin will teach us to love the motherland arely staircase Mar 2014 #58

But for most, love of the motherland ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #84

We didn't used to be "homeland" Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #170

Yes, and I find it offensive. ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #172

He is in Russia because the US pulled his passport. Not by his own choice. n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #134

He can come home on the passport he's holding. He just can't go touring. nt MADem Mar 2014 #151

He doesn't want to come home. n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #157

Really? For someone who doesn't want to come home, he's doing a lot of whining. MADem Mar 2014 #158

Go complain to him about it. Not sure why you are being so combative with me. cui bono Mar 2014 #165

Combative? All I'm doing is correcting your misapprehension. MADem Mar 2014 #166

You're probably right that if the conditions were right he would come home. But since you say he cui bono Mar 2014 #167

Cuba wasn't going to touch him with a ten foot pole, and all roads went through Havana. MADem Mar 2014 #171

Not exactly. Incitatus Mar 2014 #155

He should be a man and return for the torture and prison rape. L0oniX Mar 2014 #13

So let him stay. The hypocrisy of him being in Russia is deafening brush Mar 2014 #35

So I take it you would rather not know about what he has revealed about the NSA. L0oniX Mar 2014 #68

I'm glad he revealed the NSA's domestic spying . . . brush Mar 2014 #117

BS treestar Mar 2014 #64

Yeah, Russia is much for someone who doesn't want to live Cha Mar 2014 #42

Or to stay. nt kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #132

As long as he has an audience in the US for his diatribes, he will have a place TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #3

He's a coward. nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #4

Yeah, he is a cut and run coward.. now hiding behind Putin.. spewing Cha Mar 2014 #44

BS. He is trying not to get kicked out. avebury Mar 2014 #114

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #101

Yes, a coward hiding behind Putin.. Cha Mar 2014 #115

Teh stupid, it hurts. Zorra Mar 2014 #5

The silence of the snow. randome Mar 2014 #7

There's no business like Snow business. Whisp Mar 2014 #19

When it rains, it snows. randome Mar 2014 #37

Snow me da money. Whisp Mar 2014 #43

Snow today, gone tomorrow. randome Mar 2014 #105

Snow business I know.. Cha Mar 2014 #45

DUZY & sub-thread duzy Voice for Peace Mar 2014 #52

Good one davidpdx Mar 2014 #116

AND TURN YOUR SELF IN TO ANOTHER CORRUPT GOVERNMENT, GODDAMN IT!11 xchrom Mar 2014 #9

Yes ...you'd think he would rather be in a country that lies itself into a war... L0oniX Mar 2014 #11

Sounds like you are describing Russia, they have lied in many wars and have war Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #26

Wow. That was almost too easy, you know? randome Mar 2014 #38

Replace the word "Russia" from your statement with a blank LittleBlue Mar 2014 #51

Sad that an article like this would be taken seriously MattSh Mar 2014 #12

Why not? Your comments are to be taken seriously, DonViejo Mar 2014 #15

Correction: Some DU'ers are democracy supporters, others are surveillance state supporters. Maedhros Mar 2014 #21

Sorry, I'm not interested in guessing the motivation behind what this DU'er or DonViejo Mar 2014 #22

That's OK, plenty of other people are. nt oldhippie Mar 2014 #29

Bullshit. You defined posters' motivation as supporting Snowden (or not). Maedhros Mar 2014 #32

Sorry you disagree with me but, DonViejo Mar 2014 #65

No, it's not sad at all.. What's "sad" is Snowden's Fucking Hypocrisy. Cha Mar 2014 #46

You can say that when every other pro-Snowden post on DU baldguy Mar 2014 #55

They've been at it for awhile now. They're obsessed with this site. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #67

Time for Ed to come home and take up spying on the TPP negotiations, drones, and Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #14

On what moral or honorable ground does our own nation stand? nt ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2014 #16

Whatever (alleged) moral or honorable grounds were drowned in the Gulf of Tonkin. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #17

Or the 'honorable ground' in Ukraine? randome Mar 2014 #40

What a joke. The neo-cons are the ones in the pit, they need to stop digging themselves deeper. reformist2 Mar 2014 #18

Thanx for the laugh marions ghost Mar 2014 #20

No corruption here! Nope, not in the U.S. of A.! MNBrewer Mar 2014 #23

Yeah, he should totally do that LittleBlue Mar 2014 #24

Because prison life is so much better seveneyes Mar 2014 #25

LOL. bvar22 Mar 2014 #27

+1000 nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #127

I can't recall the poster who said this Titonwan Mar 2014 #128

He could return to the US and we would have the cost of a trial and his imprisonment or Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #28

Trust Us jsr Mar 2014 #30

Or trust.. "How Vladimir Putin and his Homophobic Henchmen are Brainwashing the Russian People".. Cha Mar 2014 #47

Getting a trial at home worked so well for Chelsea Manning! n/t backscatter712 Mar 2014 #33

That's because Manning is a military whistle blower. idendoit Mar 2014 #142

If Snowden had stated that the reason he left the US was dgauss Mar 2014 #34

Yes and all those who seek asylum to the U.S. should criticize the U.S. government. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #36

Hmmm. Russia is bad, so Snowden must be wrong. DirkGently Mar 2014 #39

If that was the logic, you would be right. But it's not. stevenleser Mar 2014 #56

Oh BS.... ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #72

and the irony oozes all over the idea of the one he chose... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #93

Um, he didn't have any choice... ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #96

Yeah right....I forgot!!!!! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #137

How old are you? n/t ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #138

How old are you? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #139

Oh, but it IS the logic. And the many-th bad faith one at that. DirkGently Mar 2014 #131

"..But you did so while enjoying the protection of a KGB thug turned would-be czar.".. Cha Mar 2014 #41

I am not so sure I would have a warm cizy feeling living in Russia. At one time Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #59

Snowden can speak as freely as he wants to about BAD USA while not saying a Peep Cha Mar 2014 #60

Just what I thought, so it goes to my thoughts in the past, if he returns to the US we Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #61

Seriously? ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #73

Such a fucking hypocrite. Cha Mar 2014 #78

Why yes, yes you are. n/t ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #82

Oh good grief... ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #71

That's right.. he's going to keep bitchin' about the USA while hypocritically hiding out in Russia. Cha Mar 2014 #77

What a ridiculous ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #80

I see Snowden fans would rather see him stay in Russia with these Assholes.. Cha Mar 2014 #48

You know what... ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #75

It's the only important isssue to those who are under oppression and I stand with them. Cha Mar 2014 #79

No, you sit behind a keyboard for them. ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #81

I stand with LGBT Rights all over the World. Cha Mar 2014 #88

You post on DU, presumably while sitting. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #97

How pathetic to think Standing With LGBT All Over the World is somehow on a "high horse". Cha Mar 2014 #99

How pathetic to think that posting on DU is standing with LGBT worldwide. nt Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #103

Well while you go around spreading your ignorance the rest of us will Stand up for LGBT. Cha Mar 2014 #104

High high horse... Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #108

Rights For All Our LGBT Family All Over The World~ Cha Mar 2014 #112

On that we agree. nt Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #113

Stay where you are, unless you want to be locked up Autumn Mar 2014 #53

.... 840high Mar 2014 #63

. baldguy Mar 2014 #54

Well, I'm glad someone finally said it. It's a shame it wasn't Glenn Greenwald. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #57

What? That's Snowden's a fucking hypocritical chickenshit?.. Cha Mar 2014 #83

Many people think Snowie wound up in Russia by accident, I never did. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #89

Yeah, maybe that's why they're trying to cover up his Cha Mar 2014 #90

Bill Maher says everytime he opens his mouth, he says something stupid. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #92

I do believe Maher said ".. something fucking stupid".. Cha Mar 2014 #94

I stand corrected. And looks like Maduro's following close on Putin's heels. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #95

He's going to end up like Jim Bakker. gulliver Mar 2014 #62

The NSA has activated their trolls in the media. former9thward Mar 2014 #66

Putin is doing Obama a favor by granting Snowden asylum WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #69

A "shitstorm" from who? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #91

wow, that's pretty sad WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #129

What it does say alot about is what an idiot Snowden is. idendoit Mar 2014 #145

Sounds as if you're of the belief that Snowie wound up there by accident, I've never.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #180

My comments here were directed at those... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #181

Weren't the founding fathers of the United States go west young man Mar 2014 #70

Damn, I just ordered Topsy Union Scribe Mar 2014 #74

Who wouldn't prefer decades in maximum security prison over relative freedom in Russia? Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #76

He could probably work a deal where he works while he's incarcerated or gets early release if he MADem Mar 2014 #168

I wonder about Eddie. ucrdem Mar 2014 #169

I think he could be either a Falcon-Snowman or a deep cover US agent. MADem Mar 2014 #173

Which would make Greenwald the patsy ucrdem Mar 2014 #174

A useful tool, most likely. MADem Mar 2014 #175

Ain't that the truth. ucrdem Mar 2014 #176

Only when he gets a full anc complete pardon from the president. Nothing less on point Mar 2014 #85

Sooner or later Vlad will figure out that Eddie is bad feng shui. ucrdem Mar 2014 #86

What a fucking joke. AzDar Mar 2014 #87

The stupidity of "Eddie loves Russia" is equal to the stupidity Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #98

Yet it is Snowden who extolls the virtues of Russia standing up for human rights. randome Mar 2014 #106

When you become a whistleblower of his importance, I bet you'll manage not becoming one just fine. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #107

Fair point. randome Mar 2014 #109

Thank you. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #111

When faced with the choice of facing the music, or fleeing to a far worse offender and saving his Adrahil Mar 2014 #121

Actually, he fled before the music started. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #122

Oh yeah? Adrahil Mar 2014 #120

In the context of geopolitics, I agree with that quote. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #124

False Equivalence To Fan The Flames cantbeserious Mar 2014 #102

Yeah... Putin ain't gonna let him go. He might as well get comfortable. NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #118

This is all you need to know about Eddie's Intellectual honesty.... Adrahil Mar 2014 #119

Even if Edward Snowden were to come back... Titonwan Mar 2014 #123

fuck you daly. cali Mar 2014 #130

He didn't intend to stay in Russia. The US pulled his passport so he is stuck there. cui bono Mar 2014 #133

At this point, Snowden the person is insignificant. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #136

They should teach logic in school. nt Glassunion Mar 2014 #140

They teach science in school, but some people still think Earth is 6k years old. Incitatus Mar 2014 #154

He doesn't necessarily have to come home Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #141

Eddie would have a tough time getting back here. idendoit Mar 2014 #144

There may be trouble....aaaaa heaaaaad.....! MADem Mar 2014 #153

I would be surprised if Putin let him out oldandhappy Mar 2014 #160

They are hiding FROM a Corrupt Regime, does your nose bleed way up there on that high horse? Vincardog Mar 2014 #161

Jesus fucking christ alarimer Mar 2014 #162

I want him to stay in Russia. bravenak Mar 2014 #163

come home to a different corrupt regime. nt Deep13 Mar 2014 #177

Yeah, which corrupt regime are they talking about? grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #179

No, Stay in a more Corrupt Regime..fucking Russia. Cha Mar 2014 #178