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calimary

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58. Welcome to DU, jamzrockz!

Mon Mar 17, 2014, 09:38 AM

Mar 2014

Glad you're here! I get what you're saying. Totally. But I still go there. And I feel as though that's something we ought to be pointing out. There's SO MUCH DAMN GRIPING about what are the intrinsic issues facing women in health insurance coverage matters. Given. But while there are people bellyaching about why they have to pay for coverage for our contraceptives and such, why then can't we mention the men's part? Hey - men have distinctive gender-based insurance coverage matters. Prostate issues. Urinary issues. And yeah, the Viagra thing. So if they're objecting to covering what matters to women - why then should we not throw that back at them and point out - hey, I'M not a man. I don't take or need Viagra. Why do I have to pay for that, then? It's that ol' door that swings both ways, seems to me. My point is - well, maybe the folks crabbing about the coverage of women's health needs should just shut up. Because nothing's ever bitched about or taken to task when it comes to men's issues.

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Should women who need maternity coverage pay more for insurance than those who don't? [View all] CreekDog Mar 2014 OP

Pass - Universal health care should not include "insurance" PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #1

In Germany, Japan, the Netherlands, it does... CreekDog Mar 2014 #3

How much water should be used for waterboarding? PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #9

yes, that's exactly the same thing as requiring insurance companies to cover maternity CreekDog Mar 2014 #11

you missed my point then. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #12

when you post BS, people stop reading CreekDog Mar 2014 #17

It only appeared BS because you stopped reading. eom PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #18

This thread questions the "right" of private, for-profit insurers to make $$$$, that's why. nt Romulox Mar 2014 #50

That's why I passed. LWolf Mar 2014 #113

You're probably equally likely to get cancer in a lifetime. Should you pay more for that? Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #2

because a number of people here think maternity coverage should not be included CreekDog Mar 2014 #4

Who's saying that? Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #6

You can click on "show user names" to see who is in favor so far. Arugula Latte Mar 2014 #86

Which is of course the whole point. It's yet another shit-list generating exercise. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #91

Well, I don't want to have to pay for their Viagra or Cialis, then. calimary Mar 2014 #8

You dont wanna go there jamzrockz Mar 2014 #35

"....women on average will run up more healthcare dollars than the average man..." LINK? WinkyDink Mar 2014 #41

here lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #64

except that women are paying in proportionately every month during those extra years.... bettyellen Mar 2014 #90

Men that were born Aerows Mar 2014 #94

Retroactive insurance? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #95

You were born, though, right? Aerows Mar 2014 #101

I'm relieved to learn that since my birth debt is valued in 1962 dollars... lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #104

Welcome to DU, jamzrockz! calimary Mar 2014 #58

Same people who say... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #23

THREE. Count'em, THREE. BFD. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #40

try 8 CreekDog Mar 2014 #115

Because some people will never need it. Daemonaquila Mar 2014 #36

IOW, you simply don't believe in any universal coverage. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #42

Of course, it will be other women's children Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #61

once we start dividing up the pool, it isn't a pool any more.... mike_c Mar 2014 #5

i agree. CreekDog Mar 2014 #7

+1 gollygee Mar 2014 #38

NO, elleng Mar 2014 #10

No, it doesn't. Daemonaquila Mar 2014 #37

i am NEVER gonna get spinal bifida, so i do not want to pay. seabeyond Mar 2014 #49

I will never get prostate cancer and don't want to have to pay for it. uppityperson Mar 2014 #92

Should men pay more because they are more prone to cardiovascular disease? Warpy Mar 2014 #13

Men use less healthcare than women. nt Romulox Mar 2014 #46

last i heard mercuryblues Mar 2014 #70

I'm not arguing for how to make mandatory for-profit insurance "fair". Just pointing out Romulox Mar 2014 #72

Republicans simply can't wrap their heads around it DefenseLawyer Mar 2014 #14

We shouldn't need insurance to stay alive and be healthy LittleBlue Mar 2014 #15

Yes, how much is your life worth to you? PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #21

The cost of all pregnancies and childbirth should be socialized and funded from general taxation, Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #16

Its like asking should people who don't have children pay taxes for education. undeterred Mar 2014 #19

The idea that those who likely need more care pay more is already established in the ACA Fumesucker Mar 2014 #20

There are three tiers related to age. But everyone who lives will eventually pnwmom Mar 2014 #25

Everyone here has a mother. Pay it forward. hunter Mar 2014 #22

the problem is that some people think it's fair to cover their own health issues CreekDog Mar 2014 #31

this is the lame Republican approach to Health Care, dude WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #24

That is how insurance works MiniMe Mar 2014 #26

Other option: mandate that the father's pay in full for all maternity care / childbirth costs? DebJ Mar 2014 #27

My kids cost over $50k each. jeff47 Mar 2014 #59

Sorry I should have used the sarcasm thingie. My comment was aimed at those DebJ Mar 2014 #60

Healthy babies are the future! Go healthy Babies! nt Walk away Mar 2014 #28

EVERYONE NEEDS MATERNITY COVERAGE AT SOME TIME IN THEIR LIFE!!!!!!! MADem Mar 2014 #29

You should pay for maternity coverage Mr.Bill Mar 2014 #30

it's a ridiculous question Skittles Mar 2014 #32

to most it is a ridiculous question CreekDog Mar 2014 #33

oh yeah, THOSE folk Skittles Mar 2014 #34

This is clearly a "divide, conquer, and take more money" plan. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #39

From a business standpoint, hell no. riqster Mar 2014 #43

No. Iggo Mar 2014 #44

No for maternity but madville Mar 2014 #45

As long as obese is defined by body fat % and not BMI. BMI discriminates against MillennialDem Mar 2014 #111

As long as health INSURANCE is private, and for-profit, it should follow actuarial principles. Romulox Mar 2014 #47

"We need to change the entire system" - TBF Mar 2014 #52

It's "not fair" to deny people care because they can't pay, period. You and I agree. nt Romulox Mar 2014 #53

not if those principles disriminate CreekDog Mar 2014 #89

Um for-profit insurance discriminates against people who can't pay. Romulox Mar 2014 #110

if you'd like us to not talk about discrimination against women, just tell everyone that CreekDog Mar 2014 #114

no, every person should be covered for everything. we should throw out the middlemen profiteers. Sunlei Mar 2014 #48

PASS: Healthcare Insurance is an obscenity. CBGLuthier Mar 2014 #51

I voted PASS for the same reason. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #56

so you don't think it should be illegal to charge women more for insurance that covers that? CreekDog Mar 2014 #63

If there MUST be an insurance based model, the idea of Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #67

underwriting is allowed in Obamacare? CreekDog Mar 2014 #68

Here-- Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #69

OK, I went off on a tangent there. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #73

I agree with you 100%. CreekDog Mar 2014 #76

There used to be a saying, "It takes two to tango." A man and a woman created this circumstance. jwirr Mar 2014 #54

Yes, maybe both parents' insurance should be charged. Or, of course, just have djean111 Mar 2014 #55

They are. A 25 year old man pays the same as a 25 year old woman... lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #62

Society is better off if all people have access to health care. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Mar 2014 #65

No Sheepshank Mar 2014 #66

Who voted it should cost more?? Pregnancy is NOT an illness. Avalux Mar 2014 #71

"No" votes attack women, not "Yes" votes CreekDog Mar 2014 #74

Ha, thanks! Avalux Mar 2014 #78

i realize the poll question is flipped from the OP subject line CreekDog Mar 2014 #79

Should you only buy homeowners' insurance when you smell smoke? SoCalDem Mar 2014 #75

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #77

what if it wasn't a choice? CreekDog Mar 2014 #80

. CreekDog Mar 2014 #82

We simply need universal coverage. Until then we have an every man for himself system. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #81

should men who need penis pumps pay more? oldandhappy Mar 2014 #83

Maternity coverage? Smoking? Weight? Speeding tickets? Etc... polichick Mar 2014 #84

. gollygee Mar 2014 #85

First, maternity is the main "bubble buster" of the young-people-don't-need-insurance myth OmahaBlueDog Mar 2014 #87

we keep using this word "insurance" alc Mar 2014 #88

Were you born? Aerows Mar 2014 #93

Yes, but the state should provide free-at-point-of-use healthcare, rendering it moot. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #96

No, your answer is not correct, you should have said: CreekDog Mar 2014 #97

No, my answer was correct and yours is wrong. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #98

do not call maternity coverage welfare CreekDog Mar 2014 #99

... PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #102

yes, he said charging the same for the two things was "welfare" CreekDog Mar 2014 #103

If it is medically necessary or restorative then it should be covered. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #100

My only issue isnt necessarily with maternity coverage davidn3600 Mar 2014 #105

and you've posted against men being paid on average higher wages than women? CreekDog Mar 2014 #106

I have never posted anything that suggests men should make more money than women davidn3600 Mar 2014 #107

you're complaining here that women's health care costs more CreekDog Mar 2014 #108

I complain when anybody is favored... davidn3600 Mar 2014 #109

Creekdog, it's a FOR PROFIT system. Quit saying everybody needs to shoulder the load, when some are Romulox Mar 2014 #112