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Sarah Ibarruri

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123. Oh. Hmmm... excellent question. Many reasons...

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 11:34 PM

Mar 2012

1) Gun-love goes right along with the love of authority, violence, punitive ideology, force, violence, aggression, a feeling of one-upsmanship, power, control, shifts power to the person with the gun, makes powerless men feel powerful, and it allows people to imitate Hollywood movies, TV programs, and books in which there's usually a man shooting 'bad guys.'

2) Republicanism, right wingerism, fascism, and all the right wing, conservative ideologies are based upon fear, a need to be constantly protecting oneself, a feeling that there's always someone, somewhere waiting to hurt one, a need to have a 'bad guy' to fight against at all times, a desire to feel an "us versus them' 'good versus bad' feeling, to view the world as a tremendously dangerous place, a view of life as either you win or you lose, a desire for someone to be punished at all times for being 'bad,' a very positive view of violence and punishment, and a Hollywood fight movie view of masculinity as creatures with guns at the end of their hands.

Gun love and rightwingerism work in lockstep with one another.

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The NRA is a Republican ancillary organization. [View all] Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 OP

It makes sense. NRA is largely a front for the gun manufacturers... lastlib Mar 2012 #1

Exactly! The NRA is a front for the gun manufacturing industry Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #3

Actually, that is a different lobbying org- the NSSF X_Digger Mar 2012 #14

Here you go... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #33

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #2

The NRA is a Republican organization, its CEO is a f GOP nutjob, Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #4

More democrats are showing support for gun ownership. Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #7

"gun nutjob activity" Major Nikon Mar 2012 #16

"...what is a 'gun nutjob activity' ?" 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #18

hm, isn't gun ownership, like, a choice? iverglas Mar 2012 #19

There are exceptions to everything, which is why they're called exceptions, because it's not the Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #47

And the NRA is a right wing organization, gun-obsession is a right wing activity, and everything tha crowhill1974 Apr 2012 #171

The NRA is a right wing organization. Expect me NOT to be thrilled that you like it nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #172

Your equivalence doesn't really work. EFerrari Mar 2012 #96

NRA speakers don't sprew misinformation, so stop saying that. safeinOhio Mar 2012 #11

Ooh such a fine, select group of... uh... nutjobs? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #66

Interesting. Obama has done nothing to incur the wrath of the NRA or gun owners. NOTHING at all. freshwest Mar 2012 #5

It's nothing new that the NRA is directly affiliated with the GOP, and it's no surprise Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #6

I've always thought the NRA and GOP arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #8

I thought they were just about guns, not anything else. Going after Obama disproves that. freshwest Mar 2012 #12

They are about getting the far right into absolute power and nothing more. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #169

But it doesn't connect with their mission of protecting gun ownership. Unless... freshwest Mar 2012 #9

Edit: Going after Obama is a waste of time. Doesn't protect gun ownership. freshwest Mar 2012 #10

He won't let one million M-1s back into the country. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #15

Those effect sales and are often what law enforcement lobbies for, not confiscation. freshwest Mar 2012 #17

The M-1 is NOT an assault rifle. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #26

Yes. That is the smoking gun so to speak. mmonk Mar 2012 #154

It is, absolutely. To claim anything else is either massive denial, or deliberate mis-truth villager Mar 2012 #13

Yes! I've been confronted by folks in denial, claiming the NRA representing libs as well as Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #27

NRA: National Republicans' Auxiliary villager Mar 2012 #30

That's perfect! nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #50

BS? Straw Man Mar 2012 #153

Straw Man? Is that what you're about? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #158

anybody want to visit H&M? iverglas Mar 2012 #20

I went there. What's CG and would you mind explaining this to those of us who aren't sure Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #41

did you mean GD? General Discussion, here? ;) iverglas Mar 2012 #46

Ah, ok. I'm with you there. Gun adoration should be confined, preferably to any forum that Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #48

Yet they support incumbent Democrats in elections hack89 Mar 2012 #21

Yes they do.. Upton Mar 2012 #23

they don't support Obama who is an incumbent Democrat up for election CreekDog Mar 2012 #28

Does anyone here honestly believe Obama is pro-RKBA? badtoworse Mar 2012 #31

evidence he's not? CreekDog Mar 2012 #34

His voting record in the Senate badtoworse Mar 2012 #93

Yes i do CreekDog Mar 2012 #92

Because Obama has a history of supporting gun control hack89 Mar 2012 #35

gun control is not against the RKBA CreekDog Mar 2012 #40

The AWB certainly was. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #51

are you a single issue voter? CreekDog Mar 2012 #73

Of course not. But I don't have to worry about gun control when I choose who to vote for. hack89 Mar 2012 #76

Lots of NRA supporters said the same thing. See my response, #36, which applies to this. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #39

So as more Democrats support RKBA then the NRA will become hack89 Mar 2012 #52

As I said, an exception is not a rule. You're assuming that exceptions are the rule, the majority, Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #54

Well hopefully Democrats will get smart about gun control hack89 Mar 2012 #59

ROFLMAO! Oh yeah, right. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #67

Being on the wrong side of history is not a good thing. hack89 Mar 2012 #72

Let's see here: You're against Democratic leaders? Against Obama? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #74

I support him whole heartily. Since he is silent on the issue of gun control hack89 Mar 2012 #77

How do you stand on welfare? How about taxing the rich at a higher rate? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #78

Support both. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #80

Ok. You're extremely confusing, you know. I think you realize that. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #81

No, he's like most of us gungeon regulars. X_Digger Mar 2012 #86

Most of us meaning NRA members? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #87

I meant what I said. 'most of us' = gungeon regulars. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #88

What's your story? What got you into guns? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #89

Always had them. Always will. X_Digger Mar 2012 #90

Very cute kids. I know that in the past, guns were used for catching food. No longer. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #99

I carry to protect myself in the unlikely, but potentially serious chance I may need it.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #102

Protect yourself from? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #104

Potential violent attack. X_Digger Mar 2012 #107

That's different. You were like a police officer, going into all kinds of neighborhoods, and Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #109

On the other hand, if I ever had anyone enter my home with a weapon... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #110

Err, I was a guy with a truck. X_Digger Mar 2012 #113

Fine, but you spent your life going in and out of places all day long, correct? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #114

For the most part, yep. X_Digger Mar 2012 #115

You really can't accept the idea of a pro-gun Democrat, can you? hack89 Mar 2012 #94

A pro-gun Democrat is like an anti-abortion Democrat who thinks males should decide women's rights Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #98

Sure are a lot of exceptions.. Upton Mar 2012 #101

Thanks to the NRA and the promotion of gun ownership as benevolent. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #103

Why is being pro-gun assumed to be an inherently conservative position? krispos42 Mar 2012 #106

Read the OP, for starters. Second, who is out there waving the flag of gun ownership? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #111

I'm asking why it's inherently liberal or conservative krispos42 Mar 2012 #116

Oh. Hmmm... excellent question. Many reasons... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #123

So then the goal of anti-gun liberals is that... krispos42 Mar 2012 #132

"Anti-gun liberals" Hmmmm! That phrase tells me something about you nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #136

You really need to get out of the city hack89 Mar 2012 #120

I live in the South and am very involved in organizations in which Dems are prevalent Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #126

So why have so many states with Democratic majorities hack89 Mar 2012 #134

Because the NRA is one of the most fucking lucrative lobbying organizations Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #135

But why are Democrats passing pro-gun laws? hack89 Mar 2012 #138

You mean why is the NRA now suddenly trying to lobby Democrats? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #140

I am saying that Blue states have been passing pro-gun laws over the past 20 years. hack89 Mar 2012 #143

They don't. But the NRA is a lobbying organization, trying to lobby as many politicos as possible Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #144

So Democrats are caving to the NRA? hack89 Mar 2012 #145

Look up the term politicos. However, perhaps I need to repost my article Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #146

What about the past 20 years hack89 Mar 2012 #155

I keep hearing you saying, "BUT BUT BUT BUT.." Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #157

No - just pointing out that America is experiencing historically low levels of gun violence hack89 Mar 2012 #159

No, actually, it's you always and 24/7 defending gun-love. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #160

No - you want to restrict my civil liberties hack89 Mar 2012 #161

No, actually, your gun love is restricting MY civil liberties, and you live misinterpreting the Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #162

The entire Supreme Court and the President disagree with you hack89 Mar 2012 #165

The Supreme Court was turned right wing so my response to you is DUH. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #168

So there are no liberal justices? None at all? hack89 Mar 2012 #170

e.g. the 1924 Democratic Convention, aka the Klanbake, in NYC. X_Digger Mar 2012 #75

The deceptive re-defining of what the Second Amendment was for... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #79

So the Bill of Rights is not a list of individual rights? hack89 Mar 2012 #95

These amendments were ratified in 1791, when there was NO MILITARY Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #97

So what was the intent of the BOR? hack89 Mar 2012 #118

Bullshit. And I'm trying to be as polite as I can be. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #119

Read the preamble to the bill of rights.. the instruction manual, if you will.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #121

Let me repeat. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #124

You're assuming your own premise.. circular reasoning. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #150

Circular reasoning is the canned response to anything you have no real response for Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #151

I wouldn't know.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #152

Good luck with that. hack89 Mar 2012 #122

You've done it several times already. Re-read your posts. Gun-lovers redefine the II and II Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #125

�I believe the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms.� BARACK OBAMA hack89 Mar 2012 #127

Why do gun-lovers make me have to repeat myself? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #129

Are you ready for a lifetime of disappointment? hack89 Mar 2012 #130

I'm already disappointed. I blame you people for this country being dangerous nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #133

Ok - your fear is irrational but I do honestly feel sorry for you. hack89 Mar 2012 #137

As I said, I blame you gun lovers for the high gun-crime rate we suffer in the U.S. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #139

Oh well - I am sure we will learn to live with your scorn. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #141

That's not my concern. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #142

Not True stevekatz Mar 2012 #128

Incorrect. Plain citizens grabbing guns and running to fight is not a pro military Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #131

wrong again stevekatz Mar 2012 #147

You just made my argument for me... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #148

No I didn't stevekatz Mar 2012 #149

You seriously think they are not partisan??? Logical Mar 2012 #61

If more Democrats were reasonable on gun control hack89 Mar 2012 #65

"Reasonable" on gun control? Is that like being "reasonable" on letting men control women's bodies? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #68

There is a Constitutional right to abortion. There is a Constititional right to bear arms. hack89 Mar 2012 #71

and public airwaves AM radio is a 24/7 ad for them certainot Mar 2012 #22

Rush Limbaugh, perhaps? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #38

Some info for you.. Upton Mar 2012 #24

I've debunked this noise so many times ... iverglas Mar 2012 #25

I don't recall any Democratic presidential candidates running on a pro-RKBA platform. badtoworse Mar 2012 #32

I don't recall any candidates for anything backed by the NRA iverglas Mar 2012 #42

I asked about Democratic presidential candidates running pro-RKBA badtoworse Mar 2012 #117

are you familiar with Obama's platform plank on the issue? iverglas Mar 2012 #156

Yes, there are SOME liberals who are obsessed with guns as any right wingnut. SOME. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #69

See my reply #36, which responds to your assertion as well. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #37

They're still a Republican organization. You can tell by all the lies they spew. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #45

Drop that old line! Look at the speakers! All you need to know! Logical Mar 2012 #62

Don't tell that to the 58 incumbent House Democrats that were endorsed by the NRA in 2010 Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #29

The NRA is a Republican organization, historically funding Republican candidates. Recently... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #36

The NRA is a Republican thug organization, and you should take your support for them elsewhere. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #44

. fascisthunter Mar 2012 #56

Good grief Freddie. They only support Blue Damn Dog's, not real Democrats. rhett o rick Mar 2012 #108

Thank you for this thread DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #43

I also detest Republicans. They make me sick to my stomach. You're quite welcome. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #49

That makes Michael Moore a life member of a Republican ancillary organization KamaAina Mar 2012 #53

You are going to have to elaborate. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #55

Michael Moore is a life member of the NRA KamaAina Mar 2012 #57

Here's why he made himself a member - to dismantle the NRA. Just thought you might like to know Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #70

Michael Moore paid $750 to become a life member so that he could run against madinmaryland Mar 2012 #58

That sounds like something he would do KamaAina Mar 2012 #63

He could run again, but he probably wouldn't get many votes. madinmaryland Mar 2012 #64

Are you serious? You must not read much about why he did that! Logical Mar 2012 #60

Which he joined with the intention of fucking up from the inside. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #83

K&R for the utterly obvious truth. baldguy Mar 2012 #82

rec. KG Mar 2012 #84

And News Corp is the GOPs free PR firm so what else is new? cstanleytech Mar 2012 #85

Yep. And we have our very own sub-forum dedicated to spewing the NRA's talking points here at DU. apocalypsehow Mar 2012 #91

yup... funny how some don't notice fascisthunter Mar 2012 #100

Well, I can't really understand why the NRA isn't on the Democratic side krispos42 Mar 2012 #105

Past that... lol nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #112

You posted this as if it was a situation somehow unique to the GOP FiercelyIndependant Mar 2012 #163

You must not have read the OP article. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #164

Actually I did... FiercelyIndependant Mar 2012 #166

Again, the #1 lobbying organization for gun manufacturers here and abroad is the NRA Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #167