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Spider Jerusalem

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35. This attitude? Shocking display of Ugly Americanism.

Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:56 PM

Mar 2014

Sorry, but: Putin's intervention in Ukraine is in violation of international law; the Crimean independence referendum is in violation of international law. The USA (along with other world powers like the UK and France and Germany) has spoken out against Putin's violations of international law. As is right and proper; the US is a leading NATO member and a permanent member of the UN security council (as are the UK and France who have also spoken out against Putin's actions in the Crimea). If international institutions like NATO and the UN mean anything at all countries like the USA have a responsibility due to their positions of leadership in those institutions. Great power, great responsibility and all that. Responding to aggression along with the other members of the international community (like, again, France, Germany, the UK, et al) does not constitute "warmongering"; to characterise it as such is frankly stupid.

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Everybody knows that Putin is BAD, [View all] bvar22 Mar 2014 OP

Putin was the only one who was for war in Ukraine. Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #1

The OP is posted in nearly every Putin thread. ProSense Mar 2014 #2

Actually, I have posted a version to Warmonger threads for Libya, bvar22 Mar 2014 #13

Putin is for war so if you're for Putin, you're against war! ProSense Mar 2014 #15

ProSense, you can't expect these Putin enablers to understand simple logic...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #62

Bvar...you can't expect go west young man Mar 2014 #45

No. bvar22 Mar 2014 #55

Funny how far we've come from the Iraq War... go west young man Mar 2014 #59

now they are here G_j Mar 2014 #114

Reflexively assuming a position by default is a rather silly thing to do mythology Mar 2014 #138

Due to your chosen screen name... go west young man Mar 2014 #143

You're absolutely right. It's absurd that it has to be posted at all. cui bono Mar 2014 #89

the cardboard cutout comrades amuse me... dionysus Mar 2014 #108

If only our wars could go so smoothly, and quickly! reformist2 Mar 2014 #4

Got some links to that information, re Putin was going to war in Ukraine? Thanks ... sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #21

Huh? Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #30

I asked for links, not someone's opinion. If you can't provide them, and please, not the Corporate sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #33

What is a credible link, in your book? kwassa Mar 2014 #73

What is credible in your opinion? I don't rely on any one source, I use multiple sources for news sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #96

She'll accept blogs that she agrees with. n/t EX500rider Mar 2014 #132

Beeb live feed Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #128

Russia is ALLOWED to station 25,000 troops on the Crimean Peninsula bvar22 Mar 2014 #126

So? Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #129

So because Bush and Reagan were evil shits Whisp Mar 2014 #3

I was with you until the "raging spittle". bvar22 Mar 2014 #51

Very strong post. delrem Mar 2014 #83

You make too much sense Bvar. We are not supposed to make sense, we are supposed to, as Wing Nuts sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #124

Barf joeybee12 Mar 2014 #5

So, are people who oppose US Foreign policies of policing the entire world, 'Saddam lovers' sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #22

I am a fan of that meme you came up with quinnox Mar 2014 #6

What's your point? idendoit Mar 2014 #7

I get the point. But what is yours? Do you have a point, or you just agree that the Left sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #23

I was just wondering if you were being facetious. idendoit Mar 2014 #36

You no doubt can't understand this, idendoit, delrem Mar 2014 #85

Actually I was very serious. n/t sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #97

They don't have a point. I just went round the merry-go-round with that one cui bono Mar 2014 #90

The Fuck? Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #8

Putin is for war so if you're for Putin, you're against war! ProSense Mar 2014 #11

Did you have a point to make, because if you did, it is not getting across. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #25

looks like Cryptoad Mar 2014 #71

She, she is a she! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #94

She is a they, IMHO. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #102

and how do you know their gender? Cryptoad Mar 2014 #105

Them, it is a them LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #121

No. Really. It came across Control-Z Mar 2014 #82

It's a shame the OPs relentless defenders swarmed on this thread Number23 Mar 2014 #99

It's different this time. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #9

"If you're not for war in the Ukraine, you're with Putin" Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #12

The first step in Getting a War On... bvar22 Mar 2014 #19

Nobody in the adminstration is even entertaining the thought of a US war in Ukraine Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #24

I doubt that's proveable. Perhaps you meant that no one has called for war? jtuck004 Mar 2014 #61

Excellent Post. bvar22 Mar 2014 #76

Good points. go west young man Mar 2014 #52

Why are we over there interfering in a country that is none of our business? Again? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #26

Russia invades Ukraine with troops... Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #29

When did Russia invade Ukraine? There was a coup in Ukraine, I know that. But that sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #31

LOL Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #34

I do my best to highlight the comedy and totally hysterical hypocrisy I see now on a daily sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #38

If I wanted to have a serious discussion on this topic, it wouldn't be with you. Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #40

You don't have that option I'm afraid, I only discuss serious issues with sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #42

Sorry...double post glitch... KoKo Mar 2014 #127

"Cali-Democrat"..I don't see links from you that verify your posts.... KoKo Mar 2014 #130

+1...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #65

I know, those two towns in Ukraine weren't taken over. joshcryer Mar 2014 #100

Pretty amazing. Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #32

Yes we are. Let them 840high Mar 2014 #48

According to the Russia-Ukraine Treaty of 1999, bvar22 Mar 2014 #131

No, we heard about it on the news like everybody else... EX500rider Mar 2014 #134

I hurd there's "WMD" in Criminealistan! Call Toby Keith! DirkGently Mar 2014 #10

You're not taking this seriously. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #18

It is hard to take anything here seriously anymore, don't you think? Loyalty oaths, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #41

Oh yeah I'm so gonna kick and rec this thread. Autumn Mar 2014 #14

False Dichotomy NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #16

Can you explain? I thought the OP was pretty clear. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #27

The OP snidely set up the false dichotomy of either pro-Putin or pro-Ukranian fascists. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #88

I think you missed the reason for the OP. DU has turned into a 'Left Bashing' site where anyone who sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #93

When there's nothing but "but the US..." arguments thrown around NuclearDem Mar 2014 #107

Maybe I can help you understand. When US policies are harmful to the American people, anyone who sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #115

Great post. go west young man Mar 2014 #120

Very Well Done, sabrina 1. bvar22 Mar 2014 #133

"This country has the potential to be a shining light to the rest of the world" EX500rider Mar 2014 #135

I said we should be isolationist? Where was that in my comment? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #136

I don't know, maybe right HERE: EX500rider Mar 2014 #139

And just why did we go to Iraq? I know what Bush said, well after he said it was to defend us sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #141

Gotya, you don't care who dies around the world as long as we don't help. EX500rider Mar 2014 #142

No, you did not 'get me'. But if over a million dead people is your idea of being sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #144

No, the Neo-Nazis and fascists in Ukraine are bad too. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #17

Reality called. She says you left your shoes under the bed when you departed. 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #20

Your comment isn't relevant to the OP. It makes no sense. What are you trying to sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #28

This attitude? Shocking display of Ugly Americanism. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #35

+1 nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #44

*applause* ColesCountyDem Mar 2014 #60

what really gets me is, renegade000 Mar 2014 #78

I am not a citizen of Russia so while I disagree with what they are doing I'm not getting the bill TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #106

I'm not willing to do much about it either renegade000 Mar 2014 #113

DU rec for a fine post about the simpleton mindset that goes along with whatever the MSM says n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #37

That is illogical. joshcryer Mar 2014 #39

It sure is... Fumesucker Mar 2014 #46

I see it from all sides. joshcryer Mar 2014 #49

I see one side calling another side "Putin lovers" Fumesucker Mar 2014 #56

The difference is that DUers roundly condemned the Iraq invasion. joshcryer Mar 2014 #68

DUers know and knew domestic US politics, they knew what was driving the invasion of Iraq Fumesucker Mar 2014 #75

Most importantly, the international community was against it. joshcryer Mar 2014 #79

I know what I think would be the most effective statement the USA could make about Putin Fumesucker Mar 2014 #80

Goes without saying. joshcryer Mar 2014 #81

Russia is allowed to station 25,000 Russian Troops on the Crimean Peninsula by 1999 Treaty. bvar22 Mar 2014 #111

and notice how that's conveniently ignored by our MSTV Media and by KoKo Mar 2014 #118

The treaty does not allow off base occupation. joshcryer Mar 2014 #137

I can show you wingnut forums Mr.Bill Mar 2014 #43

The OP was talking about DU Fumesucker Mar 2014 #47

I know. n/t Mr.Bill Mar 2014 #53

DU is far more critical of POTUS than supportive. joshcryer Mar 2014 #58

I think those who were critical of the Warren choice have been shown ultimately correct Fumesucker Mar 2014 #67

I think it was predictable. joshcryer Mar 2014 #101

I guess you're saying that if we just let Putin have Crimea we'll have Peace In Our Time? baldguy Mar 2014 #50

What business of ours is the Ukraine? How does our government's involvement in Ukraine benefit the sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #98

To side with the new regime in Ukraine . . . freedom fighter jh Mar 2014 #54

It is difficult to get good information from that area. bvar22 Mar 2014 #64

believe it or not, not everyone in Ukraine who isn't loyal to Russia is a Nazi. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #110

Do you have a source? freedom fighter jh Mar 2014 #116

The Prime Minister is Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who is not a Nazi. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #117

It was not just a sense; it was a video that clearly said so but freedom fighter jh Mar 2014 #119

GWB looked into his eyes and saw a good soul The Second Stone Mar 2014 #57

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz zz z .. . tabasco Mar 2014 #63

Well, almost everybody. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #66

well, if you listen to and unquesionably believe the same media that sold the Iraq War stupidicus Mar 2014 #69

K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #70

The Looting Of Ukraine Has Begun JEB Mar 2014 #72

Did you OP this? grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #103

The GOP Cryptoad Mar 2014 #74

The issue I'm having with the whole Ukraine situation blackspade Mar 2014 #77

nuance steve2470 Mar 2014 #84

We've had worse American presidents than Putin. McCamy Taylor Mar 2014 #86

James K. Polk springs to mind steve2470 Mar 2014 #87

It doesn't get much worse than Bush.. go west young man Mar 2014 #91

truth nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #92

an apt choice given the current situation renegade000 Mar 2014 #95

Would you like to link to some of these posts calling for war? I haven't seen even one. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #104

The war they are calling for is a new Cold one.... go west young man Mar 2014 #122

So that would be a "no", then? You admit no-one is actually calling for war? Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #125

Who is saying this? ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #109

Nobody Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #112

And, a really, really, skeery Bogeyman to the gullible. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #123

So we should just let Putin take back his slave states Progressive dog Mar 2014 #140