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beevul

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168. Thats nice. Even if its an untruth.

Mon Mar 17, 2014, 08:10 PM

Mar 2014

Big Tobacco is no more taking over the e-cig industry, than Pontiac is taking over the auto industry.

Big Tobacco itself does not understand the e-cig market.

How can I know that? Because I'm an e-cig consumer.

People like you, and big tobacco for that matter, think you know how it all works. That people will just pick up an e-cig and its just like smoking.

You, and they, know nothing about how e-cig use works.

With You, I can tell, by what you say about what big tobacco is doing. And its not just me. Others here know it too.

And big tobacco, I can tell by what they're doing - which is not bringing to market a device, which is of any threat to people that successfully quit smoking in favor of vaping...that's right...what they're bringing to market is JUNK, which is no threat to take over the market in any way shape size or form. What they bring to market, as it stands right now, is a transitional device at best.

Oh, you might not think so, and big might not think so, but those of us that USE them, we know it for a fact.

So please. Just stop. You want to set age limits? Fine, I'm all for it. But enough with the freewheeling shoot from the hip misrepresentations of reality. They do not help your cause.

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CDC: Number of teens hooked on e-cigs might be greatly underestimated because many teens don't know [View all] pnwmom Mar 2014 OP

"addictive nicotine and unregulated swirl of other chemicals" A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2014 #1

And it is not, I repeat this, it is not nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #3

It's absolutely laughable. chrisa Mar 2014 #159

And yet another anti- e-cig post superpatriotman Mar 2014 #2

So? Many states allow them to be sold to teens. Have you checked into whether your state does? pnwmom Mar 2014 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #39

That's not true. Why would you think that? They're mostly unregulated. pnwmom Mar 2014 #40

Well that's crazy. I was unaware that any states still allowed e-cigarette sales to minors. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #43

I agree. I edited the post to add that 39 states have petitioned pnwmom Mar 2014 #44

Ohio passed a law where you have to be 18 (HB 144) DeWine is just a tool like many here krawhitham Mar 2014 #130

The same letter was also signed by the Democratic Attorney General of MA, Martha Coakley. pnwmom Mar 2014 #137

Ohio is not 1st state to ban sales to minors, please educate yourself & stop spreading faslehoods krawhitham Mar 2014 #150

Thanks. Google is the friend who offered up the article I posted. It was the first article listed. pnwmom Mar 2014 #151

This is one of the things that regulations intent to do nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #7

Stop! My sides hurt from laughing! Hekate Mar 2014 #8

Yeah, we have a select few stuck on stupid Glitterati Mar 2014 #20

The answer is never simple, but chrisa Mar 2014 #160

EEK!! Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #4

How many times does it have to be pointed out that Nicotine Is Addictive? Hekate Mar 2014 #5

Many teens don't realize that the hookah pens contain nicotine. pnwmom Mar 2014 #9

Perhaps you need to speak to the FDA Glitterati Mar 2014 #17

And your point is what? Big Tobacco knows. The FDA knows. NICOTINE IS ADDICTIVE. Hekate Mar 2014 #23

My point is simple, actually Glitterati Mar 2014 #27

Just think of the children Politicalboi Mar 2014 #79

They truly are out of control aren't they? Glitterati Mar 2014 #84

Hm. In my area, all nicotine items are locked up in the pharmacy. DebJ Mar 2014 #134

And in my area they are on the shelf n/t Glitterati Mar 2014 #144

You can buy the e-juice in different nicotine amounts... PearliePoo2 Mar 2014 #10

Yes you can. But if you read the article you'll see many teens are unaware of the nicotine content pnwmom Mar 2014 #12

I really doubt all our children are that unintelligent that they don't know energumen Mar 2014 #161

You're not thinking about how kids are using these devices. pnwmom Mar 2014 #162

These people are allergic to FACTS Glitterati Mar 2014 #22

But that's anecdotal. Mariana Mar 2014 #65

Then there's this in Colorado. .. pipoman Mar 2014 #11

Wow. pnwmom Mar 2014 #14

Yeah, here is a thread about it...People are pretty cavalier about the elephant in the corner pipoman Mar 2014 #18

Of course they're cavalier Glitterati Mar 2014 #28

Yum, I love sour gummy bears Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #86

i haven't been to a shop yet fizzgig Mar 2014 #131

Agreed, it should be kept away from kids but available to adults. Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #132

Available to adults, and in any flavors the adults want. Mariana Mar 2014 #147

These vape stores are popping up on every streetcorner in this campus town. redstatebluegirl Mar 2014 #13

My cute teenage niece was hired to sell these things in a kiosk in a mall. pnwmom Mar 2014 #15

Where was your cute teenage ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #174

I'd say a lot of e-cig use by teenagers are kids that have already started smoking real brewens Mar 2014 #16

If you read the article, you'll see that many of these kids don't smoke regular cigarettes pnwmom Mar 2014 #19

They don't intend to smoke e-cigs, but they smoke e-cigs? Mariana Mar 2014 #68

They are buying and sharing these things they call "hookah pens" or "vape pens," pnwmom Mar 2014 #88

The only one who says this Glitterati Mar 2014 #90

Stop. Your anecdote is destroying the narrative superpatriotman Mar 2014 #21

Tobacco companies made 'candy cigarettes' when I was a kid louis-t Mar 2014 #24

Meh. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #25

Of course. But current bans mean we don't have to smell either one. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #26

Funny... ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #175

I'm all for age regulation Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #29

+1 n/t tammywammy Mar 2014 #30

Or that adults shouldn't like candy flavors. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #32

The caramel coffee juice tastes just like "burnt coffee". Autumn Mar 2014 #35

I know of one vendor with good caramel coffee flavor. nt. Mariana Mar 2014 #71

I've only gone to one vendor in Colorado Springs. Autumn Mar 2014 #80

I agree. bigwillq Mar 2014 #36

I think that's what a lot of this is about, Prophet. Mariana Mar 2014 #148

Imagine all those potential smokers that will never try a cigarette because of these devices. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #31

An addiction to nicotine is not cheap and it is an addiction. Tikki Mar 2014 #128

A popular and common misconception. beevul Mar 2014 #156

Unlike prescription nicotine patches, no electronic cigarettes have been approved for therapeutic.. Tikki Mar 2014 #169

Actually, I do. beevul Mar 2014 #170

And that is your business ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #176

They need to age restrict them and that's it. They also come with ZERO nicotine. Autumn Mar 2014 #33

Most of them DO come with nicotine, though they're not always labeled properly. pnwmom Mar 2014 #37

It depends on what e cig you buy, with mine I buy the 3 oz bottle of juice and fill it Autumn Mar 2014 #42

Autumn, we've tried to supply FACTS for 2 days Glitterati Mar 2014 #45

Every store here that I have seen that sells e cigs does not sell to Autumn Mar 2014 #46

Same here, plus Glitterati Mar 2014 #47

The FACT is that these things are unregulated in most states, and sold to minors. pnwmom Mar 2014 #48

More and more undocumented hysteria Glitterati Mar 2014 #54

I documented this Glitterati, as you know. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #56

None of you hysterics have documented a thing Glitterati Mar 2014 #57

40 State Attorney Generals have petitioned the FDA to restrict the use by minors. pnwmom Mar 2014 #58

Wow. Just. Wow. Glitterati Mar 2014 #60

Re-read the post. There's a link from Think Progress. You can't deny that the 40 attorney generals pnwmom Mar 2014 #62

Hey, here's an idea!!!!!! Glitterati Mar 2014 #64

I would appreciate it if you could keep the debate civil instead of resorting pnwmom Mar 2014 #67

Right, like you have. Glitterati Mar 2014 #70

I will list them as soon as you can site me a single report showing the opposite -- pnwmom Mar 2014 #74

You're the one with claims you have failed to prove Glitterati Mar 2014 #77

I just did. Go back and look at the list. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #78

ROFL, you've proved nothing Glitterati Mar 2014 #82

I have proved that there are no Federal regulations restricting the sale of e-cigs to minors. pnwmom Mar 2014 #85

Wow, you are too funny Glitterati Mar 2014 #87

Do you understand the meaning of "projection"? pnwmom Mar 2014 #89

LOL Glitterati Mar 2014 #91

Please point me to a single fact that you have cited, with a source pnwmom Mar 2014 #92

Go back to the other ECig Hysteria threads Glitterati Mar 2014 #95

Nope. It's got to be posted here. Or at least linked to. pnwmom Mar 2014 #97

ROFL, now THAT'S funny Glitterati Mar 2014 #99

You think that EVERYONE reads all your posts every day? pnwmom Mar 2014 #110

Thanks for the admit Glitterati Mar 2014 #114

Check the dictionary. "Read," "notice" and "ignore" are three different words pnwmom Mar 2014 #118

I wish I see the hysteria you consistently refer to. LanternWaste Mar 2014 #155

Wow - how many have you ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #177

Read the OP. There are no regulations requiring labeling, so the labeling is inconsistent. pnwmom Mar 2014 #187

What do you mean they are not labeled properly? Live and Learn Mar 2014 #185

Cigarettes are much more sexy than ecigs. NightWatcher Mar 2014 #34

Big Tobacco is already moving in on the e-cig market. That's the future for them. pnwmom Mar 2014 #38

Yeah they love the re fillable e cigs. Autumn Mar 2014 #51

It's a present for them considering their customer base was disappearing. pnwmom Mar 2014 #55

An Olympic Class Leap of Logic ProfessorGAC Mar 2014 #104

For which not one iota of proof has been offered Glitterati Mar 2014 #107

What press release? You keep talking about one. Did you make that up, too? N/T pnwmom Mar 2014 #109

The leap in logic was made by Big Tobacco, starting with Lorillard and Philip Morris. pnwmom Mar 2014 #108

I'm going to call attention to the TITLE and DATE of this article Glitterati Mar 2014 #112

Read the sentence again and think hard. pnwmom Mar 2014 #116

Considering Glitterati Mar 2014 #117

You just had another brain blip. The article didn't say "considering." pnwmom Mar 2014 #119

Youth Smoking Prevention by (gasp!) Lorillard! Glitterati Mar 2014 #120

Then they should be thrilled when the FDA finally bans the sale to minors. Good news! pnwmom Mar 2014 #122

You're big, bad tobacco company Glitterati Mar 2014 #124

They're selling e-cigs right now to minors, but you keep on displaying your ignorance. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #126

Once again, not a shred of proof Glitterati Mar 2014 #129

Why are you so ridiculously against Desert805 Mar 2014 #133

I am ridiculously against MISINFORMATION, HYSTERIA Glitterati Mar 2014 #145

Establishing Nothing You Said ProfessorGAC Mar 2014 #146

ROFL, exactly Glitterati Mar 2014 #59

Not to mention the juice is very easy to mix up at home. Mariana Mar 2014 #73

Just like the Roll Your Own cigarette industry Glitterati Mar 2014 #81

That's what some of my friends did Mariana Mar 2014 #94

Been smoke free 16 months, thanks to the ecig Glitterati Mar 2014 #96

I'm sorry about your husband. Mariana Mar 2014 #102

I still have 2 ecigs Glitterati Mar 2014 #105

A lot of them are awful, that's for sure. Mariana Mar 2014 #106

Interesting. I didn't know you could buy the stuff to mix your own. Autumn Mar 2014 #93

The ingredients are easy to get and cheap. Mariana Mar 2014 #98

Where do you get the ingredients? Autumn Mar 2014 #101

Once you know what they are by name Mariana Mar 2014 #111

They're here on DU Glitterati Mar 2014 #41

They remind me of the "pot is bad" folks NightWatcher Mar 2014 #49

Are you saying that nicotine isn't bad for people? Are you equating nicotine addiction pnwmom Mar 2014 #52

I'm equating the ecig naysayers with the pot is bad naysayers NightWatcher Mar 2014 #69

Are you aware that Big Tobacco is already taking over the e-cig market? pnwmom Mar 2014 #72

ecigs should be restricted to 21 and over NightWatcher Mar 2014 #76

The article in the OP says that, because of the marketing, and the lack of labeling requirements, pnwmom Mar 2014 #83

That is a lie. An utter baldfaced lie. beevul Mar 2014 #157

Well, NightWatcher Glitterati Mar 2014 #75

LOL, now stop Glitterati Mar 2014 #66

Wake up, Glitterati! Big Tobacco is taking over the e-cig market, starting with Phillip Morris. pnwmom Mar 2014 #50

ROFL, you are just too obvious, dear Glitterati Mar 2014 #53

you are calling many DU'ers "trolls" while providing nothing but ludicrous anecdotal evidence. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #61

KittyWampus, the person I was responding to just accused people like me of being trolls. pnwmom Mar 2014 #63

Repeating that lie doesn't make it truth. beevul Mar 2014 #158

Lorillard already took over an existing e-cig company, and Philip Morris is offering pnwmom Mar 2014 #164

Lorillard taking over one existing e-cig company, and Philip Morris offering trials... beevul Mar 2014 #165

When companies of that size move into a market, they're in the process of taking it over. pnwmom Mar 2014 #166

Thats nice. Even if its an untruth. beevul Mar 2014 #168

Big Tobacco has been expert at getting young people to try their nicotine products. pnwmom Mar 2014 #171

If you're referring to nicotine via combusted commercial tobacco... beevul Mar 2014 #172

Where's the FDA approved research that proves that claim is right? pnwmom Mar 2014 #173

Blah blah blah. beevul Mar 2014 #190

You want me to give you research showing that nicotine is harmful? Forget it. pnwmom Mar 2014 #191

I want you to show evidence that my use of it is harmful to YOU. N/T beevul Mar 2014 #192

It isn't because I'm never going to get near you. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #193

Actually, Phillip Morris ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #178

Big Tobacco is laughing at people like you who think they give a shit how you take it CBGLuthier Mar 2014 #100

The only problem is.... Glitterati Mar 2014 #103

Big tobacco doesn't care what's in it, as long as they can addict people to it. pnwmom Mar 2014 #113

ROFL, I guess that argument will work IF they ever bother Glitterati Mar 2014 #115

I have to thank you, Glitterati. pnwmom Mar 2014 #121

Well, hell, yeah..... Glitterati Mar 2014 #123

Oh right. You finally had a post with a source. Congrats. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #125

I posted many you worked diligently to ignore Glitterati Mar 2014 #127

Funny how frustrated_lefty Mar 2014 #135

Yeah, Charlotte Figi and many other kids are getting the message RandiFan1290 Mar 2014 #136

Where is one word about known harm to anyone? Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #138

Better than them being hooked on cancer causing cigarettes. Bonobo Mar 2014 #139

Better that they not get duped into being hooked on nicotine in the first place. pnwmom Mar 2014 #140

We will never know how many of them would have sought out cigarettes. Bonobo Mar 2014 #141

So, we can at least agree that the pens should be labeled if they contain nicotine? pnwmom Mar 2014 #142

Absolutely. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #143

One DUer argued that the flavored kind ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #180

No, I didn't think that based on my encounter with a single misinformed DUer. pnwmom Mar 2014 #182

Please stop spewing your hatred of e cigarettes. Kermitt Gribble Mar 2014 #149

I agree. E-cigs should not be "about the children." So let's agree on a Federal ban pnwmom Mar 2014 #153

I can agree on a federal ban on sales to minors. Kermitt Gribble Mar 2014 #154

The e-cig manufacturers themselves insisted they be classified as tobacco products, so blame them. pnwmom Mar 2014 #163

I'm pretty sure nicotine is already regulated that way in most states isn't it? phleshdef Mar 2014 #167

Or the pharmaceutical nicotine inhaler that works very similarly Live and Learn Mar 2014 #184

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #152

That is not true. They are not the same at all and a simple internet search Live and Learn Mar 2014 #179

There you are! The same person who argued this point last week -- apparently it doesn't pnwmom Mar 2014 #181

A hookah is used for smoking tobacco. Live and Learn Mar 2014 #183

You are still living in the dark ages. You haven't even moved up to the 1960's, (or earlier) pnwmom Mar 2014 #186

Get real. They weren't used for hookah here first and those were called bongs. Live and Learn Mar 2014 #188

Don't you understand the concept of NICKNAMES? What was called a hookah pnwmom Mar 2014 #189