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beevul

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172. If you're referring to nicotine via combusted commercial tobacco...

Tue Mar 18, 2014, 01:45 AM

Mar 2014

If you're referring to nicotine via combusted commercial tobacco, you'd be right.

Nicotine from a combustion related "big tobacco" product, as you've been repeatedly told and chosen to ignore, does NOT effect people the same as nicotine from a source without MAOIs.

It would be nice if you quit proceeding from the false assumption that they're the same thing, in at least one of these threads.

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CDC: Number of teens hooked on e-cigs might be greatly underestimated because many teens don't know [View all] pnwmom Mar 2014 OP

"addictive nicotine and unregulated swirl of other chemicals" A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2014 #1

And it is not, I repeat this, it is not nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #3

It's absolutely laughable. chrisa Mar 2014 #159

And yet another anti- e-cig post superpatriotman Mar 2014 #2

So? Many states allow them to be sold to teens. Have you checked into whether your state does? pnwmom Mar 2014 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #39

That's not true. Why would you think that? They're mostly unregulated. pnwmom Mar 2014 #40

Well that's crazy. I was unaware that any states still allowed e-cigarette sales to minors. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #43

I agree. I edited the post to add that 39 states have petitioned pnwmom Mar 2014 #44

Ohio passed a law where you have to be 18 (HB 144) DeWine is just a tool like many here krawhitham Mar 2014 #130

The same letter was also signed by the Democratic Attorney General of MA, Martha Coakley. pnwmom Mar 2014 #137

Ohio is not 1st state to ban sales to minors, please educate yourself & stop spreading faslehoods krawhitham Mar 2014 #150

Thanks. Google is the friend who offered up the article I posted. It was the first article listed. pnwmom Mar 2014 #151

This is one of the things that regulations intent to do nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #7

Stop! My sides hurt from laughing! Hekate Mar 2014 #8

Yeah, we have a select few stuck on stupid Glitterati Mar 2014 #20

The answer is never simple, but chrisa Mar 2014 #160

EEK!! Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #4

How many times does it have to be pointed out that Nicotine Is Addictive? Hekate Mar 2014 #5

Many teens don't realize that the hookah pens contain nicotine. pnwmom Mar 2014 #9

Perhaps you need to speak to the FDA Glitterati Mar 2014 #17

And your point is what? Big Tobacco knows. The FDA knows. NICOTINE IS ADDICTIVE. Hekate Mar 2014 #23

My point is simple, actually Glitterati Mar 2014 #27

Just think of the children Politicalboi Mar 2014 #79

They truly are out of control aren't they? Glitterati Mar 2014 #84

Hm. In my area, all nicotine items are locked up in the pharmacy. DebJ Mar 2014 #134

And in my area they are on the shelf n/t Glitterati Mar 2014 #144

You can buy the e-juice in different nicotine amounts... PearliePoo2 Mar 2014 #10

Yes you can. But if you read the article you'll see many teens are unaware of the nicotine content pnwmom Mar 2014 #12

I really doubt all our children are that unintelligent that they don't know energumen Mar 2014 #161

You're not thinking about how kids are using these devices. pnwmom Mar 2014 #162

These people are allergic to FACTS Glitterati Mar 2014 #22

But that's anecdotal. Mariana Mar 2014 #65

Then there's this in Colorado. .. pipoman Mar 2014 #11

Wow. pnwmom Mar 2014 #14

Yeah, here is a thread about it...People are pretty cavalier about the elephant in the corner pipoman Mar 2014 #18

Of course they're cavalier Glitterati Mar 2014 #28

Yum, I love sour gummy bears Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #86

i haven't been to a shop yet fizzgig Mar 2014 #131

Agreed, it should be kept away from kids but available to adults. Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #132

Available to adults, and in any flavors the adults want. Mariana Mar 2014 #147

These vape stores are popping up on every streetcorner in this campus town. redstatebluegirl Mar 2014 #13

My cute teenage niece was hired to sell these things in a kiosk in a mall. pnwmom Mar 2014 #15

Where was your cute teenage ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #174

I'd say a lot of e-cig use by teenagers are kids that have already started smoking real brewens Mar 2014 #16

If you read the article, you'll see that many of these kids don't smoke regular cigarettes pnwmom Mar 2014 #19

They don't intend to smoke e-cigs, but they smoke e-cigs? Mariana Mar 2014 #68

They are buying and sharing these things they call "hookah pens" or "vape pens," pnwmom Mar 2014 #88

The only one who says this Glitterati Mar 2014 #90

Stop. Your anecdote is destroying the narrative superpatriotman Mar 2014 #21

Tobacco companies made 'candy cigarettes' when I was a kid louis-t Mar 2014 #24

Meh. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #25

Of course. But current bans mean we don't have to smell either one. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #26

Funny... ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #175

I'm all for age regulation Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #29

+1 n/t tammywammy Mar 2014 #30

Or that adults shouldn't like candy flavors. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #32

The caramel coffee juice tastes just like "burnt coffee". Autumn Mar 2014 #35

I know of one vendor with good caramel coffee flavor. nt. Mariana Mar 2014 #71

I've only gone to one vendor in Colorado Springs. Autumn Mar 2014 #80

I agree. bigwillq Mar 2014 #36

I think that's what a lot of this is about, Prophet. Mariana Mar 2014 #148

Imagine all those potential smokers that will never try a cigarette because of these devices. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #31

An addiction to nicotine is not cheap and it is an addiction. Tikki Mar 2014 #128

A popular and common misconception. beevul Mar 2014 #156

Unlike prescription nicotine patches, no electronic cigarettes have been approved for therapeutic.. Tikki Mar 2014 #169

Actually, I do. beevul Mar 2014 #170

And that is your business ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #176

They need to age restrict them and that's it. They also come with ZERO nicotine. Autumn Mar 2014 #33

Most of them DO come with nicotine, though they're not always labeled properly. pnwmom Mar 2014 #37

It depends on what e cig you buy, with mine I buy the 3 oz bottle of juice and fill it Autumn Mar 2014 #42

Autumn, we've tried to supply FACTS for 2 days Glitterati Mar 2014 #45

Every store here that I have seen that sells e cigs does not sell to Autumn Mar 2014 #46

Same here, plus Glitterati Mar 2014 #47

The FACT is that these things are unregulated in most states, and sold to minors. pnwmom Mar 2014 #48

More and more undocumented hysteria Glitterati Mar 2014 #54

I documented this Glitterati, as you know. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #56

None of you hysterics have documented a thing Glitterati Mar 2014 #57

40 State Attorney Generals have petitioned the FDA to restrict the use by minors. pnwmom Mar 2014 #58

Wow. Just. Wow. Glitterati Mar 2014 #60

Re-read the post. There's a link from Think Progress. You can't deny that the 40 attorney generals pnwmom Mar 2014 #62

Hey, here's an idea!!!!!! Glitterati Mar 2014 #64

I would appreciate it if you could keep the debate civil instead of resorting pnwmom Mar 2014 #67

Right, like you have. Glitterati Mar 2014 #70

I will list them as soon as you can site me a single report showing the opposite -- pnwmom Mar 2014 #74

You're the one with claims you have failed to prove Glitterati Mar 2014 #77

I just did. Go back and look at the list. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #78

ROFL, you've proved nothing Glitterati Mar 2014 #82

I have proved that there are no Federal regulations restricting the sale of e-cigs to minors. pnwmom Mar 2014 #85

Wow, you are too funny Glitterati Mar 2014 #87

Do you understand the meaning of "projection"? pnwmom Mar 2014 #89

LOL Glitterati Mar 2014 #91

Please point me to a single fact that you have cited, with a source pnwmom Mar 2014 #92

Go back to the other ECig Hysteria threads Glitterati Mar 2014 #95

Nope. It's got to be posted here. Or at least linked to. pnwmom Mar 2014 #97

ROFL, now THAT'S funny Glitterati Mar 2014 #99

You think that EVERYONE reads all your posts every day? pnwmom Mar 2014 #110

Thanks for the admit Glitterati Mar 2014 #114

Check the dictionary. "Read," "notice" and "ignore" are three different words pnwmom Mar 2014 #118

I wish I see the hysteria you consistently refer to. LanternWaste Mar 2014 #155

Wow - how many have you ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #177

Read the OP. There are no regulations requiring labeling, so the labeling is inconsistent. pnwmom Mar 2014 #187

What do you mean they are not labeled properly? Live and Learn Mar 2014 #185

Cigarettes are much more sexy than ecigs. NightWatcher Mar 2014 #34

Big Tobacco is already moving in on the e-cig market. That's the future for them. pnwmom Mar 2014 #38

Yeah they love the re fillable e cigs. Autumn Mar 2014 #51

It's a present for them considering their customer base was disappearing. pnwmom Mar 2014 #55

An Olympic Class Leap of Logic ProfessorGAC Mar 2014 #104

For which not one iota of proof has been offered Glitterati Mar 2014 #107

What press release? You keep talking about one. Did you make that up, too? N/T pnwmom Mar 2014 #109

The leap in logic was made by Big Tobacco, starting with Lorillard and Philip Morris. pnwmom Mar 2014 #108

I'm going to call attention to the TITLE and DATE of this article Glitterati Mar 2014 #112

Read the sentence again and think hard. pnwmom Mar 2014 #116

Considering Glitterati Mar 2014 #117

You just had another brain blip. The article didn't say "considering." pnwmom Mar 2014 #119

Youth Smoking Prevention by (gasp!) Lorillard! Glitterati Mar 2014 #120

Then they should be thrilled when the FDA finally bans the sale to minors. Good news! pnwmom Mar 2014 #122

You're big, bad tobacco company Glitterati Mar 2014 #124

They're selling e-cigs right now to minors, but you keep on displaying your ignorance. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #126

Once again, not a shred of proof Glitterati Mar 2014 #129

Why are you so ridiculously against Desert805 Mar 2014 #133

I am ridiculously against MISINFORMATION, HYSTERIA Glitterati Mar 2014 #145

Establishing Nothing You Said ProfessorGAC Mar 2014 #146

ROFL, exactly Glitterati Mar 2014 #59

Not to mention the juice is very easy to mix up at home. Mariana Mar 2014 #73

Just like the Roll Your Own cigarette industry Glitterati Mar 2014 #81

That's what some of my friends did Mariana Mar 2014 #94

Been smoke free 16 months, thanks to the ecig Glitterati Mar 2014 #96

I'm sorry about your husband. Mariana Mar 2014 #102

I still have 2 ecigs Glitterati Mar 2014 #105

A lot of them are awful, that's for sure. Mariana Mar 2014 #106

Interesting. I didn't know you could buy the stuff to mix your own. Autumn Mar 2014 #93

The ingredients are easy to get and cheap. Mariana Mar 2014 #98

Where do you get the ingredients? Autumn Mar 2014 #101

Once you know what they are by name Mariana Mar 2014 #111

They're here on DU Glitterati Mar 2014 #41

They remind me of the "pot is bad" folks NightWatcher Mar 2014 #49

Are you saying that nicotine isn't bad for people? Are you equating nicotine addiction pnwmom Mar 2014 #52

I'm equating the ecig naysayers with the pot is bad naysayers NightWatcher Mar 2014 #69

Are you aware that Big Tobacco is already taking over the e-cig market? pnwmom Mar 2014 #72

ecigs should be restricted to 21 and over NightWatcher Mar 2014 #76

The article in the OP says that, because of the marketing, and the lack of labeling requirements, pnwmom Mar 2014 #83

That is a lie. An utter baldfaced lie. beevul Mar 2014 #157

Well, NightWatcher Glitterati Mar 2014 #75

LOL, now stop Glitterati Mar 2014 #66

Wake up, Glitterati! Big Tobacco is taking over the e-cig market, starting with Phillip Morris. pnwmom Mar 2014 #50

ROFL, you are just too obvious, dear Glitterati Mar 2014 #53

you are calling many DU'ers "trolls" while providing nothing but ludicrous anecdotal evidence. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #61

KittyWampus, the person I was responding to just accused people like me of being trolls. pnwmom Mar 2014 #63

Repeating that lie doesn't make it truth. beevul Mar 2014 #158

Lorillard already took over an existing e-cig company, and Philip Morris is offering pnwmom Mar 2014 #164

Lorillard taking over one existing e-cig company, and Philip Morris offering trials... beevul Mar 2014 #165

When companies of that size move into a market, they're in the process of taking it over. pnwmom Mar 2014 #166

Thats nice. Even if its an untruth. beevul Mar 2014 #168

Big Tobacco has been expert at getting young people to try their nicotine products. pnwmom Mar 2014 #171

If you're referring to nicotine via combusted commercial tobacco... beevul Mar 2014 #172

Where's the FDA approved research that proves that claim is right? pnwmom Mar 2014 #173

Blah blah blah. beevul Mar 2014 #190

You want me to give you research showing that nicotine is harmful? Forget it. pnwmom Mar 2014 #191

I want you to show evidence that my use of it is harmful to YOU. N/T beevul Mar 2014 #192

It isn't because I'm never going to get near you. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #193

Actually, Phillip Morris ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #178

Big Tobacco is laughing at people like you who think they give a shit how you take it CBGLuthier Mar 2014 #100

The only problem is.... Glitterati Mar 2014 #103

Big tobacco doesn't care what's in it, as long as they can addict people to it. pnwmom Mar 2014 #113

ROFL, I guess that argument will work IF they ever bother Glitterati Mar 2014 #115

I have to thank you, Glitterati. pnwmom Mar 2014 #121

Well, hell, yeah..... Glitterati Mar 2014 #123

Oh right. You finally had a post with a source. Congrats. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #125

I posted many you worked diligently to ignore Glitterati Mar 2014 #127

Funny how frustrated_lefty Mar 2014 #135

Yeah, Charlotte Figi and many other kids are getting the message RandiFan1290 Mar 2014 #136

Where is one word about known harm to anyone? Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #138

Better than them being hooked on cancer causing cigarettes. Bonobo Mar 2014 #139

Better that they not get duped into being hooked on nicotine in the first place. pnwmom Mar 2014 #140

We will never know how many of them would have sought out cigarettes. Bonobo Mar 2014 #141

So, we can at least agree that the pens should be labeled if they contain nicotine? pnwmom Mar 2014 #142

Absolutely. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #143

One DUer argued that the flavored kind ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #180

No, I didn't think that based on my encounter with a single misinformed DUer. pnwmom Mar 2014 #182

Please stop spewing your hatred of e cigarettes. Kermitt Gribble Mar 2014 #149

I agree. E-cigs should not be "about the children." So let's agree on a Federal ban pnwmom Mar 2014 #153

I can agree on a federal ban on sales to minors. Kermitt Gribble Mar 2014 #154

The e-cig manufacturers themselves insisted they be classified as tobacco products, so blame them. pnwmom Mar 2014 #163

I'm pretty sure nicotine is already regulated that way in most states isn't it? phleshdef Mar 2014 #167

Or the pharmaceutical nicotine inhaler that works very similarly Live and Learn Mar 2014 #184

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #152

That is not true. They are not the same at all and a simple internet search Live and Learn Mar 2014 #179

There you are! The same person who argued this point last week -- apparently it doesn't pnwmom Mar 2014 #181

A hookah is used for smoking tobacco. Live and Learn Mar 2014 #183

You are still living in the dark ages. You haven't even moved up to the 1960's, (or earlier) pnwmom Mar 2014 #186

Get real. They weren't used for hookah here first and those were called bongs. Live and Learn Mar 2014 #188

Don't you understand the concept of NICKNAMES? What was called a hookah pnwmom Mar 2014 #189