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TheKentuckian

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47. It isn't that simple because the difference in the delivery system is extreme.

Tue Mar 18, 2014, 01:25 AM

Mar 2014

The overwhelming majority of the danger to the user and others with cigarettes IS the delivery. No question that nicotine is an addictive chemical but that is heavily evasive of the major issues with smoking. I will also argue that the cigarettes themselves or much more demanding and intense addiction.

There are plenty of other chemicals and substances to be addicted to in those things and then we can't forget for a moment the carcinogenic effects. I don't really think anyone is about to go on any crusades about nicotine separated from the traditional delivery systems. It is the smoking that is the meat of the issue, the nicotine it's self you may as well be flipping about caffeine.

If you are going to start the second hand nicotine stuff, it is laughable and very difficult to support. Damn near anti vaxer territory.

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lets have a civil factual debate aboug E-Cigs [View all] demtenjeep Mar 2014 OP

Smoke free for 16 months thanks to ecigs Glitterati Mar 2014 #1

this is the same exciting results I am seeing demtenjeep Mar 2014 #3

The menthol is awesome. You won't regret doing this. Autumn Mar 2014 #5

Yeah, they have menthols too Glitterati Mar 2014 #7

son told me to go to a place and ask for Cowboy Menthol demtenjeep Mar 2014 #11

Lots and lots of ecig places cropping up here Glitterati Mar 2014 #16

Do you still consume nicotine or vape? Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #63

No, I don't. Glitterati Mar 2014 #80

If I might make a suggestion jberryhill Mar 2014 #25

I don't personally have a success story, but blue neen Mar 2014 #2

That was something I discovered Glitterati Mar 2014 #6

Yeah... blue neen Mar 2014 #8

Thanks! Glitterati Mar 2014 #9

How much would you save a week? Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #61

Oh jeez! A small fortune Glitterati Mar 2014 #82

I love mine. I have been on it since Jan31 Autumn Mar 2014 #4

What are the issues with e-cigs? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #10

Some first hand experience for you Glitterati Mar 2014 #14

You mean nicotine was not terribly addictive for YOU, and for some other lucky people. n/t DebJ Mar 2014 #58

I think the poster means, that like many other Live and Learn Mar 2014 #62

If you re-read my comment, I made no comment at all about ecigs. DebJ Mar 2014 #83

great rebuttal dionysus Mar 2014 #90

+1 nt Live and Learn Mar 2014 #59

On the second hand vapors. Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #28

There seems to be a common misconception that vapor is always safer than smoke. pnwmom Mar 2014 #65

No, the reason you don't have more safety studies Live and Learn Mar 2014 #66

Show me one place where I called for an "outright ban." pnwmom Mar 2014 #77

The reason to classify as a tobacco product is that you can then sell them as an option Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #85

Here's a bunch of scientific studies SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #104

First off... SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #12

I wish I had your faith in better minds prevailing. Live and Learn Mar 2014 #67

I don't want to be pessimistic SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #99

This is why I think opposition to e-cigs is so misguided Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #13

I personally think SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #15

It really is silly, isn't it? Glitterati Mar 2014 #17

Won't somebody think of the children?! SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #20

I certainly agree w/ you about ecigs... alittlelark Mar 2014 #42

I'm (obviously) not the poster you responded to but... tkmorris Mar 2014 #96

It's illegal for kids to smoke, drink, etc SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #98

the "news" does stories about how kids start with vaping and then move on to cigarettes. ejpoeta Mar 2014 #74

I have not smoked a cigarette in 2-1/2 years. energumen Mar 2014 #18

Your son is not keeping up with his end of the bargain Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #19

On the bright side energumen Mar 2014 #22

I really feel all this outrage is about dollars and cents Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #24

3-4 packs a day for 40 years or so... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #21

Wish they weren't called e-cigs, it makes it too easy for zealots to twist the issue. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #23

I just bought a set up Friday. tammywammy Mar 2014 #26

Cinnamon is the best! alittlelark Mar 2014 #35

Chantix is poison Egnever Mar 2014 #110

I'm off of it. tammywammy Mar 2014 #119

What if it has nothing to do with quitting smoking? bhikkhu Mar 2014 #27

If they are that shallow and needy, they will get into worse things... alittlelark Mar 2014 #36

And if they get into e-cigs, thats good, because they'd otherwise probably get into the real thing. phleshdef Mar 2014 #39

Maybe not "good", but much less harm, and easy to stop using bhikkhu Mar 2014 #87

The whole "what about the kids" argument is an appeal to emotion SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #116

I am 46... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #29

The trick is to get your nicotine high enough that it satisfies what you had before, jtuck004 Mar 2014 #30

Have you tried the coffee flavors? JackInGreen Mar 2014 #33

I like VirginVapers Organic Kona Milkshake, and the shop near my house jtuck004 Mar 2014 #34

So far coffee flavor is my favorite. n/t ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #50

I love the deep mint flavors. tridim Mar 2014 #81

+1 nt Live and Learn Mar 2014 #68

I've been learning that the expensive way. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #103

One of these days you will stand next to a smoker and realize you have changed. jtuck004 Mar 2014 #108

Thank you for the detailed reply DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #112

A provari is a great choice! Egnever Mar 2014 #115

My wife and I quit smoking when we moved into our new home with our son. JackInGreen Mar 2014 #31

It simply substitutes a different delivery mechanism for the addictive chemical. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #32

You may not have been reading all the posts in this thread... alittlelark Mar 2014 #37

Chantix is awful and can cause suicidal thoughts for some people. phleshdef Mar 2014 #38

My husband used chantix. he just kept smoking and he smoked ejpoeta Mar 2014 #75

Agreed Chantix is god awful. Egnever Mar 2014 #111

Chanitx + TX + guns = a really bad combination DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #118

A much less harmful delivery mechanism. NO SMOKE! Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #44

It isn't that simple because the difference in the delivery system is extreme. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #47

yeah...Chantix sounds so much better: ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #52

I used it. It worked for me. No problems. GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #71

People here are telling you the best way. Bonobo Mar 2014 #55

It is often a rationalization for the choice to not confront the addiction. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #86

Chantix...really. JackInGreen Mar 2014 #70

I used patches and lozanges to help me quit cigs Skittles Mar 2014 #78

Nicotine is actually safer than caffiene. jeff47 Mar 2014 #94

You're simply wrong Oilwellian Mar 2014 #101

So what? Demit Mar 2014 #105

Okay, so the anecdotal evidence that these things SheilaT Mar 2014 #40

Lots of things are bad for you. ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #53

While caffeine and sugar in excess SheilaT Mar 2014 #84

You have to get it into your head to separate tobacco & nicotine. Demit Mar 2014 #106

I'd encourage them to go with a non-nicotine fluid for vaporizing so they're not giving themselves JackInGreen Mar 2014 #72

Nicotine's safer than caffeine. jeff47 Mar 2014 #95

I read a DUer saying they had an asthma attack due to someone vaping nearby! zappaman Mar 2014 #41

^^^ This ^^^ alittlelark Mar 2014 #43

LOL Yeah, I've read of others that got a headache from it. Live and Learn Mar 2014 #69

I know a guy who knows a dude who knows a zombie SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #100

i'm wrapping up day four of no cigs fizzgig Mar 2014 #45

People are getting asthma attacks from secondhand vapor!!! zappaman Mar 2014 #46

Oh Jesus! Rex Mar 2014 #51

I believe the poster had an asthma attack.. ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #54

It may have been radiation from Fookoshimer. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #56

Oh for the love of.... JackInGreen Mar 2014 #73

just like people who sneeze when they see a cat Skittles Mar 2014 #79

That thread is hilarious! smokey nj Mar 2014 #102

I went from 3 packs/day to less than 1 pack in over 24 hours. That is HUGE for me! I used to get Ghost in the Machine Mar 2014 #48

Almost a year cigarette free and berry flavors worked and continue to work well for me. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #49

When you order flavors at first, the smoky one should be in the smallest quantity Warpy Mar 2014 #57

Tapering off the nicotine without realizing it has been my experience. Demit Mar 2014 #107

Anecdotal info is well and good, but it's too bad that the e-cig manufacturers pnwmom Mar 2014 #60

Where's your link to support your asserted motivation for that suit? Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #88

I've posted this information a number of times, and from different sources. pnwmom Mar 2014 #93

I quit smoking the old-fashioned way ... Straw Man Mar 2014 #64

Two years smoke free JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #76

Congratulations are in order for your son. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #89

8 months no smoking, whole new life. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #91

I'm posting this without reading the replies above. Aristus Mar 2014 #92

Simple solution, don't buy your juice from major tobacco companies. Most of the best vendors buy OregonBlue Mar 2014 #97

I believe you're right about Big Tobacco SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #114

thank you for all the suggestions, support and information demtenjeep Mar 2014 #109

Congrats demtenjeep! SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #117

18 months of vaping. Egnever Mar 2014 #113

Can you be sure you're not inhaling fracking fluid? idendoit Mar 2014 #120