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dipsydoodle

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6. Pretty much by association.

Tue Mar 18, 2014, 08:48 AM

Mar 2014

The EU wanted the trade agreement signed and the US wants Ukraine in NATO. Whether not the trade agreement is in fact in their interest is a matter of conjecture.

Nothing has indicated that the protesters were necessarily representative of the population of Ukraine - only fresh elections will show what is what.

Russia had no vested interest in removing their government.

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Where is proof that Ukraine's revolution was orchestrated by the West? [View all] DetlefK Mar 2014 OP

Bush invaded Iraq in 2003 Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #1

The funny thing about this is, it's more reasonable to suspect KGB's successor organizations FSB/SVR stevenleser Mar 2014 #2

an intercepted phone call. magical thyme Mar 2014 #3

Do you have a transcript of the call that shows what you are claiming? msanthrope Mar 2014 #4

the article originated in Democracy Now magical thyme Mar 2014 #13

Bwah Recursion Mar 2014 #24

That simply does not back up your claims...expressing a preference two months after the protests msanthrope Mar 2014 #28

Apparently I plotted coups against John McCain and Mitt Romney. nt Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #31

You realize the protests were happening for two months before that call right? Diplomats often stevenleser Mar 2014 #7

Transcript: no proof of plotting or manipulation DetlefK Mar 2014 #8

taken within context: magical thyme Mar 2014 #34

US government officials rallying the crowds in Kiev + admission that $5 billion was spent funding it reformist2 Mar 2014 #5

Prove it. DetlefK Mar 2014 #9

Nuland admitted it herself. magical thyme Mar 2014 #35

that money has been since Ukraine declared independence and is accounted for in various okaawhatever Mar 2014 #38

Pretty much by association. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #6

That's hardly proof. Those facts just as easily implicate Putin acting Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #11

In which case dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #15

Um. What? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #16

Try reading the question again. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #19

Please restate the question. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #20

Then we are at cross purposes dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #27

"My intention was to convey that Moscow had no motive for helping remove him." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #29

You fail to mention that the EU turned them down two years earlier because of their lack okaawhatever Mar 2014 #39

I wasn't drawing a comparison with an alternative trade agreement. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #42

So far, none. Just ODS and CT. riqster Mar 2014 #10

I don't think it's ODS in its purist form but Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #12

COOKIES!!! MNBrewer Mar 2014 #14

You are only incriminating yourself. DetlefK Mar 2014 #17

They were good old fashioned American chocolate chip cookies MNBrewer Mar 2014 #21

Not sure, but a couple questions that come to mind when considering it. quinnox Mar 2014 #18

That's not proof and if it were it would equally implicate the former head of the KGB. nt Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #22

I didn't say it was proof, I said those are the questions that come to my mind when considering it quinnox Mar 2014 #23

OK, between the US and Russia, which has done that more in the past century? Recursion Mar 2014 #25

To that question I would think about what side it would benefit more, in this instance quinnox Mar 2014 #26

On the face of it, Moscow would gain more than the US. riqster Mar 2014 #30

Moscow definitely has more at stake here than Washington Recursion Mar 2014 #32

Confusion of the inverse/Conditional Probability fallacy Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #33

video of Nuland discussing the $5B spent on the Ukraine, plus the sequence of key events magical thyme Mar 2014 #36

This thread is so awesome Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #37

Some days DU reads like a neverending Tom Clancy novel that lost Skidmore Mar 2014 #41

Phase one: Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #40