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Atman

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23. No kidding! Fantastic arts scene.

Tue Mar 18, 2014, 10:31 AM

Mar 2014

We did the Rock River Arts Tour a few years ago. You start at the tiny old town hall with one piece from each artists on display, then they give you a map...you drive around the mountains, over covered bridges, all over the surrounding towns to each artist's studio. Wood workers, metal workers, painters, whatever. You not only get to see their art, but their workspace as well. Plus the beautiful scenery.

I have to say, though, most of these artists fall into two groups: the hard-core working in a barn, raising a few goats or something while they paint or create sculpture -- and the very wealthy who moved up from NY, bought 150 acres of cheap farmland and don't actually need to make an income. They set up dream studios and paint all day. Good for them. That's my dream, too. Just find an old shack in the mountains, set up my yurt and go off the grid!

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Explain this wingnuts; VT rated as one of the worst states to do business in: Unemployment 4% [View all] cali Mar 2014 OP

Good Question kracer20 Mar 2014 #1

Sure it is n2doc Mar 2014 #2

The American definition for "Business..." MrScorpio Mar 2014 #3

Pennsyvania's state house will only pass 'business friendly' legislation. The result: DebJ Mar 2014 #4

Interesting. No industry except maple syrup? Atman Mar 2014 #5

Artisans too. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #13

No kidding! Fantastic arts scene. Atman Mar 2014 #23

Vermont also has a thriving microbrewery industry. Earth_First Mar 2014 #15

Sounds a lot like Colorado except we're bigger and have a higher population mountain grammy Mar 2014 #16

That 4% was before IBM's layoffs hack89 Mar 2014 #6

Vermont has a tiny manufacturing base, so it's not going to make much of a difference cali Mar 2014 #9

You are trying to compare a tiny economy to the world's 14th largest hack89 Mar 2014 #10

no I'm not. That wasn't the obvious point of the OP, hon. cali Mar 2014 #12

Here are the economic forecasts for both states - I will let the facts speak for themselves hack89 Mar 2014 #17

The facts do speak for themselves, dear: cali Mar 2014 #24

Can't argue with all caps logic. You win. hack89 Mar 2014 #26

you were the one that started out rude. Oh, and only one sentence was in caps cali Mar 2014 #27

Disagreeing with you is not rude hack89 Mar 2014 #29

You didn't just disagree with me. cali Mar 2014 #30

Then pull the quotes out of my post - show me anything that hints of a personal attack. hack89 Mar 2014 #32

He really wasn't joeglow3 Mar 2014 #71

I don't understand what *fact* you're disagreeing with in the post you're responding to. nt valerief Mar 2014 #34

The notion that VT's economy is actually doing that well hack89 Mar 2014 #35

So the average Texan is doing better than the average Vermonter? Or the average valerief Mar 2014 #38

California would like to remind you that it exists. jeff47 Mar 2014 #60

I am not saying Texas has the model economy hack89 Mar 2014 #65

I'm using those same metrics. jeff47 Mar 2014 #76

California has a huge diverse economy and a steady influx of new labor hack89 Mar 2014 #84

Texas has been proclaimed the state of the future NewJeffCT Mar 2014 #40

I agree to a certain degree hack89 Mar 2014 #44

you are just wrong. cali Mar 2014 #48

"RI (my state) is even worse." Perhaps you should read what I actually wrote? hack89 Mar 2014 #49

CT's unemployment rate is 7.2%, almost twice as high as Vermont's cali Mar 2014 #53

They also have better economies and higher per capita income. hack89 Mar 2014 #55

you are determined to twist the gist of my op. cali Mar 2014 #67

So employment rates are the only meaningful economic indicator? hack89 Mar 2014 #69

North Dakota, Nebraska, South Dakota and Utah all have lower unemployment rates than VT hack89 Mar 2014 #57

wow. you mean out of 50 states, there are 4 states with lower unemployment cali Mar 2014 #66

So employment rates by themselves tell us nothing about the health of an economy? hack89 Mar 2014 #68

Hack89, I have to agree with cali that you were the first to get a little 'edgy'. pangaia Mar 2014 #85

Pull out the quotes then. I asked him and he refused hack89 Mar 2014 #86

Now that you mention it, I do recall those claims being made several years ago. Rock on VT! tofuandbeer Mar 2014 #78

Forecasts are not facts. They are educated guesses. jeff47 Mar 2014 #59

I have never said that employment rate is my criteria for judging the two hack89 Mar 2014 #70

Except all those factors should result in a high unemployment rate. jeff47 Mar 2014 #75

A constrained labor force would keep unemployment low hack89 Mar 2014 #87

+1 toby jo Mar 2014 #21

that bright and shiny Texas future cali Mar 2014 #14

You seem to like Texas' union-busting, low income, plutocratic economy brentspeak Mar 2014 #42

No - there is a reason I live in a strong pro-union state hack89 Mar 2014 #46

I don't think there is any good comparison to Texas. Atman Mar 2014 #47

I would pick VT over Texas as a place to live and raise a family in a heart beat. hack89 Mar 2014 #50

Part of what makes NE a good place to work... Atman Mar 2014 #52

Not just IBM... freebrew Mar 2014 #11

4% unemployment means not enough desperation... Pholus Mar 2014 #7

Just another inconvenient truth. marble falls Mar 2014 #8

I think Vermont put the rumor out to the grifters out. They value their workers and environment. n kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #18

I suspect this is an apples and oranges thing... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #19

look, comparing VT and TX was hardly the thrust of what I posted cali Mar 2014 #28

You are comparing the unemployment rate and economic climate of Vermont to other states... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #61

If your claims were true, then why is VT doing better than NH? jeff47 Mar 2014 #77

Probably because a state's poitical leaning has virtually nothing to do with it. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #80

So, the VT DiverDave Mar 2014 #82

Which ProSense Mar 2014 #36

^^^ +1000 Atman Mar 2014 #39

So,...Texas takes in all the idiots and assholes who lost their licence elsewhere. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #45

I'm sure there is a connection, though I suspect some of that is sheer size. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #62

Congratulations on living in a civilized part of America... First Speaker Mar 2014 #20

Vermont is Bad For Businesses (screwing the workers)... dionysus Mar 2014 #22

Business does not want a 4% unemployment rate . . . Brigid Mar 2014 #25

This is actually a good place for business salib Mar 2014 #31

Thanks for a nice comment erronis Mar 2014 #72

IIRC, Didn't Greenspan Say That It Was His Job.. Liberal_Dog Mar 2014 #33

Back to the future Trust Buster Mar 2014 #37

It's the CNBC mindset where the price of gas falling at the pump is BAD news. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #41

Vermont also just voted in a state banking system Atman Mar 2014 #43

Take Back Verrmernt! adirondacker Mar 2014 #51

Maine's idiot governor naturallyselected Mar 2014 #54

Maine's unemployment rate is now 6.2 percent. not at all bad but not cali Mar 2014 #56

Agreed naturallyselected Mar 2014 #58

reverse image geretogo Mar 2014 #63

Well, Tom Delay once said that EC Mar 2014 #64

The most explosive growth, the Lowest Unemployment,... bvar22 Mar 2014 #73

Glad to be the 100th K&R!!! DeSwiss Mar 2014 #74

Those ratings are bullshit anyway jmowreader Mar 2014 #79

K&R ReRe Mar 2014 #81

I wonder of Vermont could be a model for upstate NY, with its economic depression nikto Mar 2014 #83