lets have a civil factual debate aboug E-Cigs

[tkmorris]

96. I'm (obviously) not the poster you responded to but...

I want to answer you anyway.

Those two statements are not, in fact, incompatible. It might help to rephrase the first to state that kids will always TRY to do those things. They won't succeed unless an adult somewhere fails, this is also true. The third, and unspoken, truism is that adults WILL fail to prevent kids from doing these things at times, sometimes through negligence and sometimes through apathy or willing complicity.

I'm not entirely certain what to make of your last paragraph. I will say though that it is difficult if not impossible for a parent by themselves to prevent kids from doing these things. School officials may fail to be appropriately diligent, or the clerk at the local package store may be flattered by how much the teens seem to like him/her if they are allowed to buy cigarettes or alcohol for example. Society is not an entity separate from adults, society IS a collection of adults, and all must at some point do their part.