I'm gonna say it and I don't care what gun nuts think...

[TeamsterDem]

238. Why are you insisting that I'm getting information from the NRA?

Is it because you're engaging in an ad hominem attack in a desperate effort to shore up your side of the argument? I suspect so given that I've never had any contact whatsoever with the NRA, and don't get any information from them whatsoever. I instead get the numbers from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

With respect to the movement of the numbers over time, I haven't seen statistics on that - so unlike you I don't presume to know things I couldn't possibly divine. With respect to actual regulation, I can tell you from having lived there that getting a gun in South America and Mexico is not very difficult (although illegally). But I suspect you're missing what your own question entails: How effective would an actual ban be here? If it's anything like prohibition - in which not only alcohol but guns flowed like wine - I'd suspect not very well, much like our prohibition of drugs hasn't really gotten us very far, or how our ban on automatic weapons hasn't stopped their usage in drug shootings and gang wars.

The comparison is good, as are the others, because in the end a gun is either regulated or not, and they either wind up killing people or they don't. You can try and spin your way around that all you like, but the fact is that murder rates are variable in any given environment - regulated or not. The simple fact is that people will always find a way to kill others. That's just a fact, one evinced by a rather long history existing entirely BEFORE guns were ever invented.

I didn't cherry pick South Africa, I included it in a list I presented to you. You know, the one you dismissed out of hand simply because you couldn't refute it ... speaking of sad.