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69. And, the drone wars? Are you ethically constrained to criticise that?

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Tue Mar 18, 2014, 03:32 PM

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What if Putin had been drone killing people in Venezuela for the past 10 years? [View all] Bonobo Mar 2014 OP

Putin has no reason to think treestar Mar 2014 #1

How long and how far does that excuse go? Bonobo Mar 2014 #5

You do not recognize there are some parts of the world treestar Mar 2014 #66

It is a hypothetical situation AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #21

The hypo is meaningless unless it is the same treestar Mar 2014 #67

Replace 'Venezuela' with any other potential country AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #75

The Russians just don't have any claim there is any country trying to harm them. treestar Mar 2014 #79

My RW brother does that AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #86

Nice stab at proving the point of the "DU Analysis Code" NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #2

I saw that idiotic thread. But listen. Bonobo Mar 2014 #3

I would tend to agree. And.... NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #23

If Venezuela harbored terrorists that targeted Russia, I imagine you'd TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #4

No, I don't think so. Bonobo Mar 2014 #6

Really? You think Russia does things the RIGHT way, historically? TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #7

No, I think that no one would allow Russia to intervene militarily that far from home Bonobo Mar 2014 #9

Yet the world allowed Russia into Afghanistan. randome Mar 2014 #37

It bordered the Soviet Union at that time. /nt Marr Mar 2014 #73

Russia has not been innocent of killings, they may not have used drones but the Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #8

No one thinks they are innocent. Bonobo Mar 2014 #10

Mileage does not matter and don't know there has not been some deaths which have occurred at the Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #31

It's been fascinating to find out how many people aren't concerned with war at all BainsBane Mar 2014 #11

Nah, it's more being aware of what utter craven hypocrites we look like Fumesucker Mar 2014 #12

"We"? The "utter craven hypocrites" would be the ones justifying war. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #15

Wagging the finger at someone else for doing something you just finished doing is hypocritical Fumesucker Mar 2014 #17

If someone wanted to have this discussion outside the context of justifying a military intervention BainsBane Mar 2014 #26

The single most powerful moral statement the USA could make against Putin moving into Crimea Fumesucker Mar 2014 #28

No, that is NOT the argument here. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #30

You won't wag your finger at someone emulating Dick? Really. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #58

Evidently the government and the American people are fine with what Dick did Fumesucker Mar 2014 #64

"If the government and the American people actually had a problem with Dick's actions " NCTraveler Mar 2014 #95

I said American people not person Fumesucker Mar 2014 #101

Exactly BainsBane Mar 2014 #24

Did your father or mother never tell you that you can control Bonobo Mar 2014 #16

MUAHAHAHA! Doctor_J Mar 2014 #40

If I said the sky was blue, well you know the rest. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #42

Why not just go straight to "The Blame America First Crowd"? Marr Mar 2014 #74

Tell me what precisely is leftist about justifying foriegn invasion BainsBane Mar 2014 #94

Since I haven't done that, I'll just tell you what's classicly authoritarian instead: Marr Mar 2014 #106

The USA never had Russia style empire in South America. joshcryer Mar 2014 #13

No, not Russian style. Bonobo Mar 2014 #14

Right, no comparison. joshcryer Mar 2014 #18

I didn't compare them. Bonobo Mar 2014 #19

You posed a scenario about perceptions of hostility. joshcryer Mar 2014 #25

so it was ok when russia went into afghanistan because it was closer to them ? JI7 Mar 2014 #20

No.. Fumesucker Mar 2014 #22

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #27

Everybody seems to have forgotten the most basic element of this story BlueStreak Mar 2014 #29

+100 newthinking Mar 2014 #32

+1 jsr Mar 2014 #36

+100 I don't think we want the curtain pulled back on what instigated the snappyturtle Mar 2014 #55

The last part isn't quite right, since the EU isn't a country treestar Mar 2014 #70

Poor analogy, because it is inaccurate. kwassa Mar 2014 #81

Uhhh, Ukraine is part of the former USSR, next door neighbors with Russia, and BlueStreak Mar 2014 #82

We didn't sponsor a coup, unless those were very special cookies. kwassa Mar 2014 #83

The Ukraine is not monolithic, and yes, the west was pushing the EC connection BlueStreak Mar 2014 #84

Let us clarify terms. The west part of Ukraine was sponsoring a coup? kwassa Mar 2014 #85

The west, meaning the US and Europe. They have been working to separate BlueStreak Mar 2014 #87

Where is proof that the US and/or Europe had any hand in the current government change in kwassa Mar 2014 #88

The proof is prima facia. The dispute that caused the overthrow was exactly this. BlueStreak Mar 2014 #89

Thanks, you have no direct proof. I am not surprised. kwassa Mar 2014 #90

It takes 2 to tango BlueStreak Mar 2014 #91

You obviously haven't seen the Nuland cookie handout video go west young man Mar 2014 #92

Like I said, there is no direct proof, and you don't have it, either. kwassa Mar 2014 #98

Your in denial. go west young man Mar 2014 #99

It is a conspiracy theory. That's all that it is. You have no proof. kwassa Mar 2014 #100

There are plenty of articles on the subject go west young man Mar 2014 #102

Global Research is a crackpot far left conspiracy site. Zero credibility. kwassa Mar 2014 #103

So you think the architects of the Iraq war just went away and faded into nothing? go west young man Mar 2014 #104

The chief perps of that war left office. kwassa Mar 2014 #105

It's a theory...that's well proven.. go west young man Mar 2014 #107

no, no proof. none. zero. zip. nada. kwassa Mar 2014 #108

You must be living in a box. go west young man Mar 2014 #109

Um, the Economist is de-bunking your quote, not supporting it. kwassa Mar 2014 #110

K&R woo me with science Mar 2014 #33

So, what exactly are the Russian equivalents of-- eridani Mar 2014 #34

How many military bases does Russia maintain in Europe, South America, Africa, North America? BlueStreak Mar 2014 #35

Recommend..! KoKo Mar 2014 #41

... 840high Mar 2014 #77

Venezualian terrorists flew planes into buildings in Moscow? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #38

Afghanistan terrorists were behind 9/11? Bonobo Mar 2014 #43

The Taliban government of Afghanistan was completely unconnected to the plot? MNBrewer Mar 2014 #45

Forget it, he's rolling. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #46

Ha ha, nice try but you appear to have believed the hijackers were Afghanis. Bonobo Mar 2014 #48

Na, just based there, and supported by the Taliban JoePhilly Mar 2014 #50

So why did you ask if the Venezuelans had "flown" into Moscow buildings? Bonobo Mar 2014 #51

To point out your premise was silly. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #54

Lol Bonobo Mar 2014 #56

Yeesh. If you couldn't read the implied "if" at the beginning Skidmore Mar 2014 #72

The poster I responded to implied the 9/11 terrorists were Afghanis. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #47

Your entire premise was silly. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #53

He lets other countries do his dirty work- even imports slaves snooper2 Mar 2014 #39

That reminds me of what my mom always said MNBrewer Mar 2014 #44

We don't have to shut-up as a country because of past injustices to wards people! Sunlei Mar 2014 #49

So, better to send troops in? brooklynite Mar 2014 #52

Didn't Russia spend a "little" time in Afghanistan? NCTraveler Mar 2014 #57

Not what I am saying. Bonobo Mar 2014 #59

I think we can handle it very well. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #61

That's because you see everything through the lens of how it reflects on Obama Fumesucker Mar 2014 #65

"That's because you see everything through the lens of how it reflects on Obama" NCTraveler Mar 2014 #97

At least the Russkis were smart enough to get out after they lost. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #71

"We're still hanging around trying to make it look like we didn't really lose. " NCTraveler Mar 2014 #96

I don't feel ethically constrained to criticize either the US invasion of Iraq, or the Anschluss LanternWaste Mar 2014 #60

And, the drone wars? Are you ethically constrained to criticise that? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #69

Well since Venezuela is hated by the GOP, I imagine they would be loving it. Rex Mar 2014 #62

But they would also get to huff and puff about how we need to attack Putin Doctor_J Mar 2014 #63

Yes they would be talking out of both ends, a standard for GOPukers. Rex Mar 2014 #93

The Pentagon would go to congress for more money to close the "drone gap". Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #68

kick 840high Mar 2014 #76

I think if it was Al Qaeda we'd be supplying them w/ targeting coordinates. EX500rider Mar 2014 #78

...1 KoKo Mar 2014 #80

kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #111