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Octafish

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37. Paine thought ''regimes become corrupt when the propertied rich manipulate the laws.''
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 04:28 PM
Mar 2014

Last edited Wed Mar 19, 2014, 09:30 AM - Edit history (1)

Guy certainly would understand today's Wall Street on the Potomac.



From Tom Paine: A Political Life by John Keane:

If, as Paine thought, regimes become corrupt when the propertied rich manipulate the laws to grind down the poor, then a young republic like America could easily suffer the same fate, especially if its citizens fell under the influence of self-interested men of property. "A rich man makes a bonny traitor," he told his friend Joseph Reed, quoting James I. If that was so, then republican principles must be extended to the sphere of economic life. Men of wealth must be tamed by public ethics. Property and its corresponding "liberal" values must be subject to the universal "civic humanist" rule of civil and political rights. That would not fully eliminate disparities of wealth. But the availability of rights to all adult, male citizens, not just to property owners, would ensure ongoing controversies about how to divide that which is divisible. Such controversies would ensure that existing patterns of wealth and inequality would never be seen as natural, as reflecting the will of God, or as a brutal fact of economic life.

SOURCE:

http://goo.gl/IUHrKR





One thing I know, were Thomas Paine with us today, he'd side with William K. Black.

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k & r & thanks. n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #1
Ditto to the above & to Grasswire's addition below. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #5
Bush and Cheney Octafish Mar 2014 #8
right. wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #12
That's why LIHOP. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #20
this grasswire Mar 2014 #2
Clapper was a Booz Allen man? Reallly? Rex Mar 2014 #3
James Woolsey, too. Octafish Mar 2014 #4
Wow, these mega crooks are all so well connected. Rex Mar 2014 #30
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Poppy Bush Octafish Mar 2014 #10
There was a peace dividend hootinholler Mar 2014 #21
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #7
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R#21 & K for my indefaiguable Oct, but whenever "Carlyle" is cited I remind that UTUSN Mar 2014 #9
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k and r for depressing my evening further. niyad Mar 2014 #11
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I believe that The Carlyle Group/NSA/CIA are "The Powers To Be". nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #13
Not "to Be", but... ReRe Mar 2014 #15
I accept that correction. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #16
I meant it respectfully. ReRe Mar 2014 #18
And I took it that way. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #19
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K&R ReRe Mar 2014 #14
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That's him... ReRe Mar 2014 #35
As always, thank you for the OP. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #17
Not even Ian Fleming dared dream S.P.E.C.T.R.E. would hijack the US Government Octafish Mar 2014 #31
Weren't the Carlyle Group holding an investors meeting on 9/11? RandiFan1290 Mar 2014 #22
With Bushes and Bin Ladens in attendance, none the less. nt Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #26
They most certainly were. Octafish Mar 2014 #36
"A rich man makes a bonny traitor." - Paine nt raouldukelives Mar 2014 #27
Paine thought ''regimes become corrupt when the propertied rich manipulate the laws.'' Octafish Mar 2014 #37
One thing to keep in mind is the access granted snowden Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #33
It's why the rich get richer and richer. Octafish Mar 2014 #38
K&R + a link to another informative thread that could use some input from DUers when it comes to the bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #39
Thank yoyu, Octafish. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #40
You are most welcome, my Friend! Octafish Feb 2015 #41
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