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kwassa

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83. We didn't sponsor a coup, unless those were very special cookies.

Tue Mar 18, 2014, 09:52 PM

Mar 2014

There are many parts of the former USSR who are very happy to be no part of the Russian empire now. The Ukraine is one of those.

Many citizens speak Russian, but nowhere near a majority, except in the Eastern part of the country.

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What if Putin had been drone killing people in Venezuela for the past 10 years? [View all] Bonobo Mar 2014 OP

Putin has no reason to think treestar Mar 2014 #1

How long and how far does that excuse go? Bonobo Mar 2014 #5

You do not recognize there are some parts of the world treestar Mar 2014 #66

It is a hypothetical situation AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #21

The hypo is meaningless unless it is the same treestar Mar 2014 #67

Replace 'Venezuela' with any other potential country AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #75

The Russians just don't have any claim there is any country trying to harm them. treestar Mar 2014 #79

My RW brother does that AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #86

Nice stab at proving the point of the "DU Analysis Code" NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #2

I saw that idiotic thread. But listen. Bonobo Mar 2014 #3

I would tend to agree. And.... NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #23

If Venezuela harbored terrorists that targeted Russia, I imagine you'd TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #4

No, I don't think so. Bonobo Mar 2014 #6

Really? You think Russia does things the RIGHT way, historically? TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #7

No, I think that no one would allow Russia to intervene militarily that far from home Bonobo Mar 2014 #9

Yet the world allowed Russia into Afghanistan. randome Mar 2014 #37

It bordered the Soviet Union at that time. /nt Marr Mar 2014 #73

Russia has not been innocent of killings, they may not have used drones but the Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #8

No one thinks they are innocent. Bonobo Mar 2014 #10

Mileage does not matter and don't know there has not been some deaths which have occurred at the Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #31

It's been fascinating to find out how many people aren't concerned with war at all BainsBane Mar 2014 #11

Nah, it's more being aware of what utter craven hypocrites we look like Fumesucker Mar 2014 #12

"We"? The "utter craven hypocrites" would be the ones justifying war. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #15

Wagging the finger at someone else for doing something you just finished doing is hypocritical Fumesucker Mar 2014 #17

If someone wanted to have this discussion outside the context of justifying a military intervention BainsBane Mar 2014 #26

The single most powerful moral statement the USA could make against Putin moving into Crimea Fumesucker Mar 2014 #28

No, that is NOT the argument here. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #30

You won't wag your finger at someone emulating Dick? Really. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #58

Evidently the government and the American people are fine with what Dick did Fumesucker Mar 2014 #64

"If the government and the American people actually had a problem with Dick's actions " NCTraveler Mar 2014 #95

I said American people not person Fumesucker Mar 2014 #101

Exactly BainsBane Mar 2014 #24

Did your father or mother never tell you that you can control Bonobo Mar 2014 #16

MUAHAHAHA! Doctor_J Mar 2014 #40

If I said the sky was blue, well you know the rest. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #42

Why not just go straight to "The Blame America First Crowd"? Marr Mar 2014 #74

Tell me what precisely is leftist about justifying foriegn invasion BainsBane Mar 2014 #94

Since I haven't done that, I'll just tell you what's classicly authoritarian instead: Marr Mar 2014 #106

The USA never had Russia style empire in South America. joshcryer Mar 2014 #13

No, not Russian style. Bonobo Mar 2014 #14

Right, no comparison. joshcryer Mar 2014 #18

I didn't compare them. Bonobo Mar 2014 #19

You posed a scenario about perceptions of hostility. joshcryer Mar 2014 #25

so it was ok when russia went into afghanistan because it was closer to them ? JI7 Mar 2014 #20

No.. Fumesucker Mar 2014 #22

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #27

Everybody seems to have forgotten the most basic element of this story BlueStreak Mar 2014 #29

+100 newthinking Mar 2014 #32

+1 jsr Mar 2014 #36

+100 I don't think we want the curtain pulled back on what instigated the snappyturtle Mar 2014 #55

The last part isn't quite right, since the EU isn't a country treestar Mar 2014 #70

Poor analogy, because it is inaccurate. kwassa Mar 2014 #81

Uhhh, Ukraine is part of the former USSR, next door neighbors with Russia, and BlueStreak Mar 2014 #82

We didn't sponsor a coup, unless those were very special cookies. kwassa Mar 2014 #83

The Ukraine is not monolithic, and yes, the west was pushing the EC connection BlueStreak Mar 2014 #84

Let us clarify terms. The west part of Ukraine was sponsoring a coup? kwassa Mar 2014 #85

The west, meaning the US and Europe. They have been working to separate BlueStreak Mar 2014 #87

Where is proof that the US and/or Europe had any hand in the current government change in kwassa Mar 2014 #88

The proof is prima facia. The dispute that caused the overthrow was exactly this. BlueStreak Mar 2014 #89

Thanks, you have no direct proof. I am not surprised. kwassa Mar 2014 #90

It takes 2 to tango BlueStreak Mar 2014 #91

You obviously haven't seen the Nuland cookie handout video go west young man Mar 2014 #92

Like I said, there is no direct proof, and you don't have it, either. kwassa Mar 2014 #98

Your in denial. go west young man Mar 2014 #99

It is a conspiracy theory. That's all that it is. You have no proof. kwassa Mar 2014 #100

There are plenty of articles on the subject go west young man Mar 2014 #102

Global Research is a crackpot far left conspiracy site. Zero credibility. kwassa Mar 2014 #103

So you think the architects of the Iraq war just went away and faded into nothing? go west young man Mar 2014 #104

The chief perps of that war left office. kwassa Mar 2014 #105

It's a theory...that's well proven.. go west young man Mar 2014 #107

no, no proof. none. zero. zip. nada. kwassa Mar 2014 #108

You must be living in a box. go west young man Mar 2014 #109

Um, the Economist is de-bunking your quote, not supporting it. kwassa Mar 2014 #110

K&R woo me with science Mar 2014 #33

So, what exactly are the Russian equivalents of-- eridani Mar 2014 #34

How many military bases does Russia maintain in Europe, South America, Africa, North America? BlueStreak Mar 2014 #35

Recommend..! KoKo Mar 2014 #41

... 840high Mar 2014 #77

Venezualian terrorists flew planes into buildings in Moscow? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #38

Afghanistan terrorists were behind 9/11? Bonobo Mar 2014 #43

The Taliban government of Afghanistan was completely unconnected to the plot? MNBrewer Mar 2014 #45

Forget it, he's rolling. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #46

Ha ha, nice try but you appear to have believed the hijackers were Afghanis. Bonobo Mar 2014 #48

Na, just based there, and supported by the Taliban JoePhilly Mar 2014 #50

So why did you ask if the Venezuelans had "flown" into Moscow buildings? Bonobo Mar 2014 #51

To point out your premise was silly. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #54

Lol Bonobo Mar 2014 #56

Yeesh. If you couldn't read the implied "if" at the beginning Skidmore Mar 2014 #72

The poster I responded to implied the 9/11 terrorists were Afghanis. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #47

Your entire premise was silly. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #53

He lets other countries do his dirty work- even imports slaves snooper2 Mar 2014 #39

That reminds me of what my mom always said MNBrewer Mar 2014 #44

We don't have to shut-up as a country because of past injustices to wards people! Sunlei Mar 2014 #49

So, better to send troops in? brooklynite Mar 2014 #52

Didn't Russia spend a "little" time in Afghanistan? NCTraveler Mar 2014 #57

Not what I am saying. Bonobo Mar 2014 #59

I think we can handle it very well. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #61

That's because you see everything through the lens of how it reflects on Obama Fumesucker Mar 2014 #65

"That's because you see everything through the lens of how it reflects on Obama" NCTraveler Mar 2014 #97

At least the Russkis were smart enough to get out after they lost. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #71

"We're still hanging around trying to make it look like we didn't really lose. " NCTraveler Mar 2014 #96

I don't feel ethically constrained to criticize either the US invasion of Iraq, or the Anschluss LanternWaste Mar 2014 #60

And, the drone wars? Are you ethically constrained to criticise that? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #69

Well since Venezuela is hated by the GOP, I imagine they would be loving it. Rex Mar 2014 #62

But they would also get to huff and puff about how we need to attack Putin Doctor_J Mar 2014 #63

Yes they would be talking out of both ends, a standard for GOPukers. Rex Mar 2014 #93

The Pentagon would go to congress for more money to close the "drone gap". Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #68

kick 840high Mar 2014 #76

I think if it was Al Qaeda we'd be supplying them w/ targeting coordinates. EX500rider Mar 2014 #78

...1 KoKo Mar 2014 #80

kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #111