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In reply to the discussion: So let me see if I've got this straight... [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)19. Obamacare
"Pres. Obama had everything to do with inviting Billy Tauzin and other lobbyists..."
...improved the Medicaid drug rebate program, which is one of the best.
Medicaid Drug Rebate Program
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The Medicaid Drug Rebate Program is a partnership between CMS, State Medicaid Agencies, and participating drug manufacturers that helps to offset the Federal and State costs of most outpatient prescription drugs dispensed to Medicaid patients. Approximately 600 drug manufacturers currently participate in this program. All fifty States and the District of Columbia cover prescription drugs under the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program, which is authorized by Section 1927 of the Social Security Act.
The program requires a drug manufacturer to enter into, and have in effect, a national rebate agreement with the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) in exchange for State Medicaid coverage of most of the manufacturers drugs. When a manufacturers markets a new drug and electronically lists it with the FDA, they must also submit the drug to the Drug Data Reporting (DDR) system. This ensures that states are aware of the newly marketed drug. In addition, Section II(g) of the Rebate Agreement explains that labelers are responsible for notifying states of a new drugs coverage. Labelers are required to report all covered outpatient drugs under their labeler code to the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program. They may not be selective in reporting their NDC's to the program. Manufacturers are then responsible for paying a rebate on those drugs each time that they are dispensed to Medicaid patients. These rebates are paid by drug manufacturers on a quarterly basis and are shared between the States and the Federal government to offset the overall cost of prescription drugs under the Medicaid Program.
http://www.medicaid.gov/Medicaid-CHIP-Program-Information/By-Topics/Benefits/Prescription-Drugs/Medicaid-Drug-Rebate-Program.html
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The Medicaid Drug Rebate Program is a partnership between CMS, State Medicaid Agencies, and participating drug manufacturers that helps to offset the Federal and State costs of most outpatient prescription drugs dispensed to Medicaid patients. Approximately 600 drug manufacturers currently participate in this program. All fifty States and the District of Columbia cover prescription drugs under the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program, which is authorized by Section 1927 of the Social Security Act.
The program requires a drug manufacturer to enter into, and have in effect, a national rebate agreement with the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) in exchange for State Medicaid coverage of most of the manufacturers drugs. When a manufacturers markets a new drug and electronically lists it with the FDA, they must also submit the drug to the Drug Data Reporting (DDR) system. This ensures that states are aware of the newly marketed drug. In addition, Section II(g) of the Rebate Agreement explains that labelers are responsible for notifying states of a new drugs coverage. Labelers are required to report all covered outpatient drugs under their labeler code to the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program. They may not be selective in reporting their NDC's to the program. Manufacturers are then responsible for paying a rebate on those drugs each time that they are dispensed to Medicaid patients. These rebates are paid by drug manufacturers on a quarterly basis and are shared between the States and the Federal government to offset the overall cost of prescription drugs under the Medicaid Program.
http://www.medicaid.gov/Medicaid-CHIP-Program-Information/By-Topics/Benefits/Prescription-Drugs/Medicaid-Drug-Rebate-Program.html
The ACA increased the Medicaid rebate percentage.
http://www.medicaid.gov/AffordableCareAct/Timeline/Timeline.html
Issue Brief - Medicare Drug Negotiation and Rebates
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Best Price. A third argument is that it makes sense for Medicare to receive the best price available for prescription drugs, just like Medicaid and the VA. In Medicaid, the drug manufacturer provides the federal government discounts for drugs, which are shared with the states. The discount is either the minimum drug amount or an amount based on the best price paid by private drug purchasers, whichever is less. Current law requires drug companies to charge Medicaid 23 percent less than the average price they receive for the sale of a drug to retail pharmacies. Drug companies also must provide another discount if a drugs price rises faster than the rate of inflation (Thomas and Pear, 2013)...Medicaid rebates, if applied to Part D, would save the federal government money. According to a 2011 study conducted by the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Medicaid rebates were three times greater than the discounts negotiated by Part D for 100 brand name drugs. In 68 of these drugs, Medicaid rebates were twice as high as rebates granted by the drug companies for Medicare drugs (OIG HHS, 2011; Hulsey, 2013). Similarly, a 2008 study of drug pricing information by the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform found that Part D paid, on average, 30 percent more for drugs than Medicaid (Hulsey, 2013).
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http://www.ncpssm.org/PublicPolicy/Medicare/Documents/ArticleID/1138/Issue-Brief-Medicare-Drug-Negotiation-and-Rebates
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Best Price. A third argument is that it makes sense for Medicare to receive the best price available for prescription drugs, just like Medicaid and the VA. In Medicaid, the drug manufacturer provides the federal government discounts for drugs, which are shared with the states. The discount is either the minimum drug amount or an amount based on the best price paid by private drug purchasers, whichever is less. Current law requires drug companies to charge Medicaid 23 percent less than the average price they receive for the sale of a drug to retail pharmacies. Drug companies also must provide another discount if a drugs price rises faster than the rate of inflation (Thomas and Pear, 2013)...Medicaid rebates, if applied to Part D, would save the federal government money. According to a 2011 study conducted by the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Medicaid rebates were three times greater than the discounts negotiated by Part D for 100 brand name drugs. In 68 of these drugs, Medicaid rebates were twice as high as rebates granted by the drug companies for Medicare drugs (OIG HHS, 2011; Hulsey, 2013). Similarly, a 2008 study of drug pricing information by the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform found that Part D paid, on average, 30 percent more for drugs than Medicaid (Hulsey, 2013).
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http://www.ncpssm.org/PublicPolicy/Medicare/Documents/ArticleID/1138/Issue-Brief-Medicare-Drug-Negotiation-and-Rebates
The President has proposed the same rate for Medicare (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022670043 ), which would save even more than the Senate proposal (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022725266), $164 billion to $141 billion, respectively.
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"socialize losses but privatize profits" - could be the motto of our country now...
polichick
Mar 2014
#7
They're still too stupid or hateful to understand that simple message.
Fantastic Anarchist
Mar 2014
#258
Whereas before the ACA the insurance companies would have paid for everything, no questions asked?
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#4
No, the answer is to fight for single payer & next time don't be diverted by politics. Some things
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#94
this is the best flippant response you could come up with to cover your error?
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#474
My grasp is firm....I am not the one that jumped into the middle of a conversation
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#485
No one with at least 10% of their brain functioning would call that post disingenuous.
cui bono
Mar 2014
#465
Obama did not consider single-payer, simply because single-payer would never pass in
Amonester
Mar 2014
#433
Actually you start with stuff far beyond what you hope to get so that you get closer
Lars39
Mar 2014
#472
My grandmother always said, 'you got what you fight for, if you're not willing to fight, you get
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#246
Yes because getting NOTHING for your efforts would have been soooo satisfying huh?
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#264
The good SHOULD be the enemy of the bad. My grandmother was totally for being the enemy of the bad.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#436
Thank you!! And don't put all you health care in one basket. MS is in my family (2 cousins)
kelliekat44
Mar 2014
#335
The OP will blame his favorite whipping post come hell or high water and label anyone who
Cha
Mar 2014
#382
if he hadn't thrown a hategasm about the State of the Union speech's honoring
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#383
You've got that right. Before ACA it was all one big love-fest with the insurance companies...
Hekate
Mar 2014
#416
she has an awesome rheumotologist. can't be overstated how much that matters.
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#421
But he was not telling you the truth. Different insurers use different formularies.
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#244
Pres. Obama had everything to do with inviting Billy Tauzin and other lobbyists...
polichick
Mar 2014
#15
I'm sick of all the bullshit. Dem Party leaders serve corporations and the 1%...
polichick
Mar 2014
#30
You type fact-free rants. ProSense provides carefully annotated evidence.
ConservativeDemocrat
Mar 2014
#84
I think you would do yourself a favor if you changed your subject line to remove the sexism. nt
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#139
Bad form. I also ask you to edit your subject line to remove that comment.
bluesbassman
Mar 2014
#201
I like Bernie quite a bit. Don't know if he has a better chance than Warren though
brush
Mar 2014
#304
In an obscenely wealthy democracy, if you're not getting first-rate universal healthcare...
polichick
Mar 2014
#235
Clearly we need to repeal the ACA ... it only helps the 1% and corporations.
JoePhilly
Mar 2014
#301
Ignoring feedback from people that are not being helped or who are being economically hurt
Lars39
Mar 2014
#32
The beef people have is with how it all came about....Obama taking single payer off the table
Lars39
Mar 2014
#57
In part, but your responses seem to be the same no matter what problem is identified
Lars39
Mar 2014
#111
But after he owned the program he owns it. Not just the good parts but the bad as well. nt
Mojorabbit
Mar 2014
#113
It is his signature program. He does not get to only own the good parts. nt
Mojorabbit
Mar 2014
#142
You do know he's not running for president again, right? How could he lose your vote?
uppityperson
Mar 2014
#230
that wasn't addressed at a problem...that was addressed to a dead horse....
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#176
And it can be done, but not if the people and their problems with ACA are ignored.
Lars39
Mar 2014
#183
saying the cost and formulary are two different things is dishonest
questionseverything
Mar 2014
#330
HMOs use formularies. Britain and Canada's health care systems use formularies.They are an effective
Hekate
Mar 2014
#448
Too many on here don't want to hear that. I agree it "should not happen," just like people
Hoyt
Mar 2014
#116
Will, if Mrs. Pitt were on Medicare, would her drugs in question be covered or not?
Nay
Mar 2014
#387
Medicare for all wouldn't necessarily solve this problem. Medicare has a formularly, too. n/t
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#371
As much as I hate g war bush, he did sign Medicare prescription drug plan. Before that poor elderly,
Hoyt
Mar 2014
#127
That's like saying if Bush supported marriage equality or became pro-choice...
Drunken Irishman
Mar 2014
#247
Yea, I would've melted down with joy that Bush did something that actually saved lives.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#311
"Obama not wringing a better health care plan...Congress" - HE'S the one who packed...
polichick
Mar 2014
#106
AND he is the FIRST President to get changes to Healthcare in America...
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#184
It's hardly "blind" - it's CLEAR-EYED, WIDE AWAKE rage, the kind this country needs...
polichick
Mar 2014
#47
If it was, it would be directed at the people who actually prevented single-payer.
jeff47
Mar 2014
#59
President Obama was elected with a mandate and he failed*to lead on the important issues. That buck
xocet
Mar 2014
#128
Nothing ventured: nothing gained. He did not even try. You can figure the rest out yourself. n/t
xocet
Mar 2014
#365
No, it didn't start with him - but he's cool with enabling the continuation...
polichick
Mar 2014
#278
If a policy (or law) can't stand criticism, it should be concidered a weak policy.
canoeist52
Mar 2014
#22
calling the President a "piece of shit" is just "criticism" of the ACA?
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#192
He said "piece of shit".....let us not forget the "fuck you" part then either...
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#218
No it isn't when it is bullshit....which it is...NO healthcare system in the world covers
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#224
Except that it is....NO healthcare system covers ALL drugs and treatments in any country...
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#272
and that happens all the time in EVERY system....did you not read that?
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#282
No its NOT bullshit when MOST did keep their insurance....sorry...you fail.
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#288
You sound exactly like someone who would say the same thing to struggling poor people
Vashta Nerada
Mar 2014
#54
Well, for one, there haven't been any verified Obamacare horror stories that I've found.
DanTex
Mar 2014
#42
Heck, up until 2005, Medicare did not cover any prescription drugs, absolutely none unless injected.
Hoyt
Mar 2014
#213
His wife is suffering needlessly, and he isn't justified in being angry about it?
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#492
It's way too late now, but staying on COBRA until you had a answer - or the enrollment period ended
theboss
Mar 2014
#171
This is excellent advice. Having a disabled child on two non-formulary medications, I can
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#202
Fuck writing appeal letters!! Fuck getting a letter from the doctor!!! Fuck working your
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#231
Do you believe Medicare just magically covers every drug and every treatment?
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#198
And as someone that grew up with a National Health System I still can't figure out...
truebrit71
Mar 2014
#229
Well, he might have angered liberals, but his corporate buddies still love him. nt
Demo_Chris
Mar 2014
#489
Code of Conduct or whatever you want to call it. Are you defending the OP? nt
ChisolmTrailDem
Mar 2014
#85
I'm not playing your game with you. You know what the OP said. It's telling that he
ChisolmTrailDem
Mar 2014
#96
what game is that? idk what youre talking about i just wondered what rule he violated
leftyohiolib
Mar 2014
#102
My apologies. I'm pretty sure it's against DU CoC and/or rules to call our president
ChisolmTrailDem
Mar 2014
#121
And someone else wrote "Fuck You Bill Pitt' in that same thread and that was allowed to stand...
truebrit71
Mar 2014
#181
Again, I am not outraged. Your reading comprehension needs work. As I said, I am merely curious
ChisolmTrailDem
Mar 2014
#193
no i was just curious since i didnt see any obvious rule broken. iwasnt trying to join in any
leftyohiolib
Mar 2014
#317
"Given the heated and often misleading rhetoric surrounding this legislation "
ProSense
Mar 2014
#95
We need Single Payer. The President can't sign a bill Congress doesn't hand him.
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2014
#119
Ok....here is where the frustrated healthcare veteran in me comes out. Please give me a second.
theboss
Mar 2014
#156
Will, it's time to start writing letters of appeal, and getting your wife a clinician at the
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#207
When uninsured folks started to hear "go elsewhere or pay cash," when calling for an appointment.
Hoyt
Mar 2014
#150
There was a reason why people thought this would lead to nationalized health care
Yo_Mama
Mar 2014
#166
you are going to hear the same kooky and crackpot defense of the ACA that you hear for the NSA from
Douglas Carpenter
Mar 2014
#170
Will, please correct the incorrect insurance information in your other thread---
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#178
The Truth just woke up and is putting on it's running shoes. Wonder whether
bluestate10
Mar 2014
#397
Our grand experiment in Free Market National health care is not succeding
Agnosticsherbet
Mar 2014
#186
My prayers for your wife but it still doesn't justify calling the President a "piece of shit"
brush
Mar 2014
#209
Your blame is misplaced. A formulary is not some invention of the ACA or even of private insurers.
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#239
I AM grateful that I can get far enough to have to jump through hoops for meds, Will.
ScreamingMeemie
Mar 2014
#249
Being angry at public servants that we pay is not PC..if they're Democrats.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#263
Your wife's situation should not be happening to anyone in the United States, to say Obama's
Jefferson23
Mar 2014
#342
I will put forward the real possibility that the OP's plan offers alternatives,
bluestate10
Mar 2014
#399
Shhhh.. not suppose to mention the OP doesn't have shit straight or being straight. TYG.
Cha
Mar 2014
#422
It is too bad all that forward momentum to fix our health care mess was basically wasted.
raouldukelives
Mar 2014
#403
ObamaCare, it's the best legislation rightwing Heritage Foundation could write.
blkmusclmachine
Mar 2014
#407
Well sure. Their message doesn't fly when every other country has it but us....
Spitfire of ATJ
Mar 2014
#426
This is the reason (along with not being able to afford it) that I won't get coverage..........
mrmpa
Mar 2014
#427
Here's the 'Specialty Drug' list from Anthem BC - New Hampshire for MS:
sinkingfeeling
Mar 2014
#446
As usual, people would rather whine about their supposed hurt feelings than focus on what actually
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#493