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Kelvin Mace

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Wed Mar 19, 2014, 12:12 PM Mar 2014

Most rational hypothesis on missing Malaysian 777 so far [View all]

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

There has been a lot of speculation about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Terrorism, hijacking, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN; it’s almost disturbing. I tend to look for a simpler explanation, and I find it with the 13,000-foot runway at Pulau Langkawi.

The left turn is the key here. Zaharie Ahmad Shah1 was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time. We old pilots were drilled to know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us. They’re always in our head. Always. If something happens, you don’t want to be thinking about what are you going to do–you already know what you are going to do. When I saw that left turn with a direct heading, I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport. He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The captain did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier toward Langkawi, which also was closer.

For me, the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire. And there most likely was an electrical fire. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one. If they pulled the busses, the plane would go silent. It probably was a serious event and the flight crew was occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate is the mantra in such situations.

There are two types of fires. An electrical fire might not be as fast and furious, and there may or may not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires. Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. Once going, a tire fire would produce horrific, incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks, but this is a no-no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter, but this will last only a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one in my flight bag, and I still carry one in my briefcase when I fly.)
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It sounds convincing but there are a few issues with it. DanTex Mar 2014 #1
Who cares?? All that matters is....where is the plane?? cbdo2007 Mar 2014 #2
The point is, the theory would give you an indicator of where to look Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #7
Thanks for narrowing it down....have you alerted the news that it might be in the Indian Ocean?? cbdo2007 Mar 2014 #36
Your snark is appreciated by someone Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #70
As an aviation expert on CNN said about this sufrommich Mar 2014 #3
+1 Agschmid Mar 2014 #5
It never made any sense as an explanation. sufrommich Mar 2014 #8
You're right. CANDO Mar 2014 #81
If you electrical system is gone Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #9
The pilots explanation for there being no way sufrommich Mar 2014 #12
Depends of the sequence of events Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #49
I don't buy this scenario 2naSalit Mar 2014 #78
Again Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #79
And I never suggested 2naSalit Mar 2014 #82
Wasn't suggesting you were Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #83
If your electrical system is gone how does the plane fly for 5+ more hours? Agschmid Mar 2014 #14
Depends on which systems are damaged, Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #25
depends Corgigal Mar 2014 #15
"or a meteor hit them" sufrommich Mar 2014 #17
Of course, Corgigal Mar 2014 #22
I like the whole "a rock from outer space sufrommich Mar 2014 #23
'Interesting'? Are you kidding? CNN would interview the fucking rock. randome Mar 2014 #29
I hope it's Wolf who does the interview . sufrommich Mar 2014 #31
They sent a radio transmission 12 minutes after they programmed the course change Recursion Mar 2014 #24
That is what is reported Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #26
But they aren't programmed with a deadman's switch Recursion Mar 2014 #27
No, but the alternate Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #56
I'm pretty sure the order came to "pull 777" and the CIA blew it with thermite. Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #53
You forgot their accompice Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #54
That's the biggest problem Corgigal Mar 2014 #10
It happens Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #30
Why is this "rational"... it does not make any sense? Agschmid Mar 2014 #4
Agreed Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #20
How about a combo of this theory and flamingdem Mar 2014 #6
Possible Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #13
But why did they fly off course for 5 hours with a fire going on? pnwmom Mar 2014 #11
If the crew was incapacitated by smoke Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #18
I thought the auto-pilot had been turned off. And weren't there several changes pnwmom Mar 2014 #28
They could have taken these manuevers then succumbed Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #32
But over all those hours? Hard to imagine, for me at least. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #33
I agree... kentuck Mar 2014 #58
I debunked it in another thread Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #16
A link to the thread please Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #19
here... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #21
A question? kentuck Mar 2014 #34
I wonder if they have "Saucer Separation". longship Mar 2014 #37
Generally not Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #40
The most rational hypothesis is "I don't know" longship Mar 2014 #35
A good chunk of the internets is made up of sufrommich Mar 2014 #38
What does that gain? longship Mar 2014 #39
I don't pretend that commenting on threads sufrommich Mar 2014 #42
You have a point, to some extent. longship Mar 2014 #45
Insufficient data Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #43
A hypothesis must not multiply entities unnecessarily. longship Mar 2014 #47
But we are not discussing efficiency of reasoning Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #48
If one goes beyond the facts, making stuff up, one is not being parsimonious. longship Mar 2014 #50
I don't see the fellow made anything up Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #60
Where is the evidence for a fire? longship Mar 2014 #62
Gosh, why would anyone ponder a possible fire Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #64
All these speculations, and some are pretty damn sick, remind me of the 1989 USS IOWA gun turret... Tikki Mar 2014 #41
I agree Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #44
And I agree with you…it is with the odds and makes the most sense…sad as it may turn out.. Tikki Mar 2014 #46
This story is old and predates the computer direction change information Renew Deal Mar 2014 #51
Past performance is usually a good indicator of future performance XRubicon Mar 2014 #52
And everybody seems to be forgetting Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #55
No... I don't think anyone one of us forget those. Agschmid Mar 2014 #65
As I mention in another post Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #67
Let's put it this way... Agschmid Mar 2014 #68
Yes, but the Boeing 57/67/77 Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #69
A fire in a windshield wiper motor does not... Agschmid Mar 2014 #71
*sigh* Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #72
Yes it would be. Agschmid Mar 2014 #66
So you know how long it flew? XRubicon Mar 2014 #73
Didn't say I did know. Agschmid Mar 2014 #75
I must have misunderstood you XRubicon Mar 2014 #76
Thanks for the apology. Agschmid Mar 2014 #77
you are welcome! XRubicon Mar 2014 #84
I hope you enjoy that feeling you get when you put someone down. Agschmid Mar 2014 #85
Thank you so much XRubicon Mar 2014 #86
If the pilot was turning to head towards a close airport with friendly terrain Glassunion Mar 2014 #57
Maybe if they can find the files that were deleted on the simulator? kentuck Mar 2014 #59
Too soon? Travelman Mar 2014 #61
Yeah, Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #63
If you were writing a movie script... kentuck Mar 2014 #74
We may have to live with the mystery. Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #80
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