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DanTex

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1. It sounds convincing but there are a few issues with it.
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 12:20 PM
Mar 2014

First of all, it doesn't square with the satellite ping that places along that large arcs based on the distance from the satellite. If it just kept going west after that first turn, then it wouldn't have been anywhere close to the ping arcs.

Also, there was a pretty good debunking of this posted on Reddit. Of course, we don't know the level of expertise of either Chris Goodfellow or this Reddit poster, so who knows, but the Reddit guy seems to make some good points.

http://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/20sasb/very_concise_debunk_of_chris_goodfellows_theory/

SIGH I don't know who Chris Goodfellow is, but just having a "Class 1 License in Multi-engine planes" and 20 years experience does NOT qualify him to speak with authority on 777 systems and trans-oceanic airline operations. Heck, when I learned to fly in Canada, I had the same certifications. Mr. Goodfellow misses the mark on real-world operations, as evidenced by statements he makes in this article.
As an MD88 Captain for a major US airline, I have some pretty good experience to draw from but I certainly wouldn't want to stray into the realm of 777 systems and become another self-professed "expert" in the speculation frenzy we are seeing with regards to this incident. But some things are just really basic, and Mr. Goodfellow makes quite a few assumptions.
Where do I start?
"When I saw that left turn with a direct heading, I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport". Um, why? Why can you make that statement? There are a whole host of reasons why the aircraft FMS was programmed to make a turn. You say yourself just a paragraph or two later that "There is no point speculating further until more evidence surfaces...". Aren't you in fact "speculating"? We have far too many "speculators" as it is. The fact is, we can speculate all day as to the "who" and "why", but it's all pointless. The fact is, the aircraft turned west, away from it's planned northerly track. Why? It could be many things, but you can't say with any certainty that "he was heading for an airport".
Mr. Goodfellow states that an electrical fire first response is to "pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one". Actually, the first response is to don the oxygen mask and put on the smoke goggles (or some aircraft have masks/goggles in one unit). Mr. Goodfellow says "Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks but this is a no-no with fire." GOOD LORD. He has NO IDEA what he's talking about. What are the pilots supposed to do? Hold their breath and work the checklist?? He is probably confusing the use of PASSENGER oxygen masks which, in the event of a fire in the cabin, we are trained to NOT manually deploy. Why? Because PASSENGER oxygen masks MIX cabin air with oxygen...thus, passengers would breath smoke regardless, and you're just providing oxygen to an environment where fire exists...that is bad. But with COCKPIT oxygen systems, the masks are FORCED PRESSURE and 100% oxygen is available. Yes, you ABSOLUTELY don the oxygen masks THEN work on isolating the source of the fire/smoke. Otherwise, the pilots are breathing smoke and, in no-time, the entire flight is doomed (he should know that.)
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It sounds convincing but there are a few issues with it. DanTex Mar 2014 #1
Who cares?? All that matters is....where is the plane?? cbdo2007 Mar 2014 #2
The point is, the theory would give you an indicator of where to look Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #7
Thanks for narrowing it down....have you alerted the news that it might be in the Indian Ocean?? cbdo2007 Mar 2014 #36
Your snark is appreciated by someone Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #70
As an aviation expert on CNN said about this sufrommich Mar 2014 #3
+1 Agschmid Mar 2014 #5
It never made any sense as an explanation. sufrommich Mar 2014 #8
You're right. CANDO Mar 2014 #81
If you electrical system is gone Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #9
The pilots explanation for there being no way sufrommich Mar 2014 #12
Depends of the sequence of events Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #49
I don't buy this scenario 2naSalit Mar 2014 #78
Again Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #79
And I never suggested 2naSalit Mar 2014 #82
Wasn't suggesting you were Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #83
If your electrical system is gone how does the plane fly for 5+ more hours? Agschmid Mar 2014 #14
Depends on which systems are damaged, Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #25
depends Corgigal Mar 2014 #15
"or a meteor hit them" sufrommich Mar 2014 #17
Of course, Corgigal Mar 2014 #22
I like the whole "a rock from outer space sufrommich Mar 2014 #23
'Interesting'? Are you kidding? CNN would interview the fucking rock. randome Mar 2014 #29
I hope it's Wolf who does the interview . sufrommich Mar 2014 #31
They sent a radio transmission 12 minutes after they programmed the course change Recursion Mar 2014 #24
That is what is reported Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #26
But they aren't programmed with a deadman's switch Recursion Mar 2014 #27
No, but the alternate Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #56
I'm pretty sure the order came to "pull 777" and the CIA blew it with thermite. Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #53
You forgot their accompice Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #54
That's the biggest problem Corgigal Mar 2014 #10
It happens Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #30
Why is this "rational"... it does not make any sense? Agschmid Mar 2014 #4
Agreed Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #20
How about a combo of this theory and flamingdem Mar 2014 #6
Possible Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #13
But why did they fly off course for 5 hours with a fire going on? pnwmom Mar 2014 #11
If the crew was incapacitated by smoke Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #18
I thought the auto-pilot had been turned off. And weren't there several changes pnwmom Mar 2014 #28
They could have taken these manuevers then succumbed Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #32
But over all those hours? Hard to imagine, for me at least. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #33
I agree... kentuck Mar 2014 #58
I debunked it in another thread Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #16
A link to the thread please Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #19
here... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #21
A question? kentuck Mar 2014 #34
I wonder if they have "Saucer Separation". longship Mar 2014 #37
Generally not Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #40
The most rational hypothesis is "I don't know" longship Mar 2014 #35
A good chunk of the internets is made up of sufrommich Mar 2014 #38
What does that gain? longship Mar 2014 #39
I don't pretend that commenting on threads sufrommich Mar 2014 #42
You have a point, to some extent. longship Mar 2014 #45
Insufficient data Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #43
A hypothesis must not multiply entities unnecessarily. longship Mar 2014 #47
But we are not discussing efficiency of reasoning Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #48
If one goes beyond the facts, making stuff up, one is not being parsimonious. longship Mar 2014 #50
I don't see the fellow made anything up Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #60
Where is the evidence for a fire? longship Mar 2014 #62
Gosh, why would anyone ponder a possible fire Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #64
All these speculations, and some are pretty damn sick, remind me of the 1989 USS IOWA gun turret... Tikki Mar 2014 #41
I agree Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #44
And I agree with you…it is with the odds and makes the most sense…sad as it may turn out.. Tikki Mar 2014 #46
This story is old and predates the computer direction change information Renew Deal Mar 2014 #51
Past performance is usually a good indicator of future performance XRubicon Mar 2014 #52
And everybody seems to be forgetting Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #55
No... I don't think anyone one of us forget those. Agschmid Mar 2014 #65
As I mention in another post Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #67
Let's put it this way... Agschmid Mar 2014 #68
Yes, but the Boeing 57/67/77 Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #69
A fire in a windshield wiper motor does not... Agschmid Mar 2014 #71
*sigh* Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #72
Yes it would be. Agschmid Mar 2014 #66
So you know how long it flew? XRubicon Mar 2014 #73
Didn't say I did know. Agschmid Mar 2014 #75
I must have misunderstood you XRubicon Mar 2014 #76
Thanks for the apology. Agschmid Mar 2014 #77
you are welcome! XRubicon Mar 2014 #84
I hope you enjoy that feeling you get when you put someone down. Agschmid Mar 2014 #85
Thank you so much XRubicon Mar 2014 #86
If the pilot was turning to head towards a close airport with friendly terrain Glassunion Mar 2014 #57
Maybe if they can find the files that were deleted on the simulator? kentuck Mar 2014 #59
Too soon? Travelman Mar 2014 #61
Yeah, Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #63
If you were writing a movie script... kentuck Mar 2014 #74
We may have to live with the mystery. Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #80
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