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jeff47

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356. Others don't matter. You need Lieberman's vote.

Wed Mar 19, 2014, 03:33 PM

Mar 2014

The bill does not pass without his vote, or you need his vote to change the rules in order to pass the bill.

So how do you get Lieberman's vote for single-payer? It does not happen in the 2009-2010 Congress without Lieberman's vote. And there's no fucking way in hell it passes after 2010 with the Republican House.

Single-payer does not happen in 2009-2010 without Lieberman. How do you get him?

You had 3 options:
1-Pass the ACA. It helps a lot of people in the short run, and moves the single-payer battle to the blue states. Where we will win. And where we can use those victories to spread it to the rest of the country.

2-Fail to pass single-payer. And health insurance reform goes nowhere for another 16 years, just like after 1993.

3-Do nothing, hoping we win more seats in 2010. And be screwed when we lost seats.

You are arguing for #2 or #3. How well did that work in 1993?

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Thanks! my boss said so for my 2013 review a couple weeks ago as well! snooper2 Mar 2014 #10

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that wasn't addressed at a problem...that was addressed to a dead horse.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #176

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Drug formularies in Canada and Great Britain naturallyselected Mar 2014 #29

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you nailed it steve2470 Mar 2014 #21

Medicare for All was realistic in 2009, but no one fought for it. Scuba Mar 2014 #34

I guess we agree to disagree on that point steve2470 Mar 2014 #45

Medicare Part D uses formularies. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #46

Photosynthesis uses light. n/t Scuba Mar 2014 #63

Facts are facts. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #68

Bananas are bananas. n/t Scuba Mar 2014 #73

and sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #173

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Thank you. blue neen Mar 2014 #339

Will, if Mrs. Pitt were on Medicare, would her drugs in question be covered or not? Nay Mar 2014 #387

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Medicare part D? (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #27

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YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SMARTER CONSUMER, YOU PATHETIC LOSER! Zorra Mar 2014 #13

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Yes and expanding Medicaid for the poor was such a horrible tragedy! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #240

That's what you get -- Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2014 #17

+1 area51 Mar 2014 #179

M-O-N-E-Y TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #312

Well, you had two options. jeff47 Mar 2014 #20

Anger is important - it's way past time Americans got angry... polichick Mar 2014 #36

Blind rage never solved any problems. jeff47 Mar 2014 #44

It's hardly "blind" - it's CLEAR-EYED, WIDE AWAKE rage, the kind this country needs... polichick Mar 2014 #47

If it was, it would be directed at the people who actually prevented single-payer. jeff47 Mar 2014 #59

Wake up - the guy in the WH invited Billy Tauzin and other lobbyists in... polichick Mar 2014 #69

Waking up would require realizing single-payer doesn't fix this problem. jeff47 Mar 2014 #333

My post was about the lobbyists who were constant guests at the WH... polichick Mar 2014 #338

I did by pointing out the WH doesn't pass legislation. jeff47 Mar 2014 #343

Activists on the left ran ads targeting Blue Dog Dems... polichick Mar 2014 #345

Ads don't help when he's not running again. jeff47 Mar 2014 #348

Others were running. The point is we have to be clear about... polichick Mar 2014 #352

Others don't matter. You need Lieberman's vote. jeff47 Mar 2014 #356

Joe didn't even matter, since the WH traded that away... polichick Mar 2014 #359

Yes, Joe does matter when you claim that Obama could have single-payer. jeff47 Mar 2014 #361

You do know that the WH nixed single payer and the public option... polichick Mar 2014 #363

We should still have single-payer. Doesn't mean Will's wife gets her drugs. theboss Mar 2014 #347

imo it's amazing that Americans accept this situation... polichick Mar 2014 #349

President Obama was elected with a mandate and he failed*to lead on the important issues. That buck xocet Mar 2014 #128

Because bills magically appear on his desk. There is no other branch involved. jeff47 Mar 2014 #334

Nothing ventured: nothing gained. He did not even try. You can figure the rest out yourself. n/t xocet Mar 2014 #365

This is true - he "threw away" support with both hands... polichick Mar 2014 #353

Thanks for the specifics and the note about the status quo. n/t xocet Mar 2014 #415

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anger is not important when it blinds you to possible solutions Whisp Mar 2014 #245

imo the calm acceptance of The Screwing of America... polichick Mar 2014 #253

the Grand Screwing sure didn't start with Obama Whisp Mar 2014 #267

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Well, I've never said he's an "evil piece of shit"... polichick Mar 2014 #309

All my book says is: Whisp Mar 2014 #315

Does Pres. Obama WANT to turn the Titanic? If so, why the TPP? polichick Mar 2014 #321

poor deflection, but expected. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #324

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I think you miss the point Whisp Mar 2014 #355

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Yes to Bernie dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #484

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What is the FULL QUOTE? truebrit71 Mar 2014 #216

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Aaah...."most"..... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #300

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I did. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #64

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OK WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #80

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Okay...so there are options theboss Mar 2014 #105

No. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #107

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Excellent insurance provided by her employer WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #130

Dates please theboss Mar 2014 #137

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I do. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #177

You're not insane theboss Mar 2014 #190

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I should have just yelled about Obama theboss Mar 2014 #210

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It's a web forum. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #243

You didn't vent; you mischaracterized your problem theboss Mar 2014 #256

Thank You, theboss! Cha Mar 2014 #392

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So ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #180

It's MS. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #182

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That is my exact point ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #228

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #234

there may be a good reason for "of my choice" shireen Mar 2014 #376

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My mother died of MS and insurance companies suck. uppityperson Mar 2014 #242

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Maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #370

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Yea....I'm awesome theboss Mar 2014 #456

good to hear blindersoff Mar 2014 #138

Do you believe Medicare just magically covers every drug and every treatment? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #198

Nope steve2470 Mar 2014 #200

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+1 leftstreet Mar 2014 #72

TRUE. That's the hope and change we elected... polichick Mar 2014 #75

I get less enthused as each election cycle passes... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #83

What a con game, huh? polichick Mar 2014 #103

+2 truebrit71 Mar 2014 #77

Of course, but then it wouldn't have had a chance in hell of passing elias7 Mar 2014 #133

But that was the whole problem... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #143

Yeah, ask Hillary Clinton about how her health care proposal went. Hoyt Mar 2014 #226

And as someone that grew up with a National Health System I still can't figure out... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #229

^^^^^^^This is the correct answer.^^^^^^ woo me with science Mar 2014 #92

Indeed! truebrit71 Mar 2014 #159

Absolute ProSense Mar 2014 #104

Actually, you are not required by law to purchase their product . . . markpkessinger Mar 2014 #440

Have you looked at the programmed penalty increases... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #451

Obama bashing never ceases. lumpy Mar 2014 #480

Well, he might have angered liberals, but his corporate buddies still love him. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #489

it's the Insurance Industry Protection Act.... mike_c Mar 2014 #60

You know what? WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #70

It's a mixed bag, and people are learning theboss Mar 2014 #76

Interesting perspective. TBF Mar 2014 #88

Some doctors like it; some don't theboss Mar 2014 #101

Agree on the ERs for sure - TBF Mar 2014 #276

here in rural NorCal they're throttling the providers too.... mike_c Mar 2014 #91

I think they love this bill BECAUSE it allows them to protect their profits Auggie Mar 2014 #123

I think you are correct Will sweetapogee Mar 2014 #151

Health Insurance Company bailouts/guaranteed profits are nationalize the fed Mar 2014 #175

This should be an OP. woo me with science Mar 2014 #378

you got that right Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #165

Why are you immune to DU rules? nt ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2014 #65

what du rule? leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #81

Code of Conduct or whatever you want to call it. Are you defending the OP? nt ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2014 #85

i justwanted to know what rule he's violating a coc violation? leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #93

I'm not playing your game with you. You know what the OP said. It's telling that he ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2014 #96

what game is that? idk what youre talking about i just wondered what rule he violated leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #102

My apologies. I'm pretty sure it's against DU CoC and/or rules to call our president ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2014 #121

there are privileges that that poster has that no one else ever had Whisp Mar 2014 #155

Twice? I knew about the bobbolink dustup...what was the other one??? nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #360

I am PMing you. Whisp Mar 2014 #375

And someone else wrote "Fuck You Bill Pitt' in that same thread and that was allowed to stand... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #181

Again, I am not outraged. Your reading comprehension needs work. As I said, I am merely curious ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2014 #193

no i was just curious since i didnt see any obvious rule broken. iwasnt trying to join in any leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #317

Three words Will. Insurance Finance Reform. Autumn Mar 2014 #74

"Given the heated and often misleading rhetoric surrounding this legislation " ProSense Mar 2014 #95

You skipped the Insurance finance Reform part. Autumn Mar 2014 #110

Yes, and ProSense Mar 2014 #117

Insurance Finance Reform. Autumn Mar 2014 #136

Keep raising hell, Will! Nothing's ever going to change in this country LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #79

Even under single-payer, this would be a problem theboss Mar 2014 #109

I don't think the law is perfect, but it is better than what we had. LexVegas Mar 2014 #108

This is not a monarchy. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #112

I'm curious if this particular drug was covered by Anthem Purrfessor Mar 2014 #115

Really good question........ theboss Mar 2014 #124

That question was asked several time yesterday of the OP. He seems to be bluestate10 Mar 2014 #394

Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #147

We need Single Payer. The President can't sign a bill Congress doesn't hand him. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #119

Single payer would have this same problem theboss Mar 2014 #125

There are always changes, agreed. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #134

Ok....here is where the frustrated healthcare veteran in me comes out. Please give me a second. theboss Mar 2014 #156

I can take it. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #164

I feel you. bravenak Mar 2014 #219

May I just say that it seems odd that you are angry at Will Pitt for Autumn Mar 2014 #369

My fellow DUers are going to Maui with electrode salesmen? theboss Mar 2014 #453

From the back and forth with AtheistCrusader it seemed it was Autumn Mar 2014 #454

Sounds like healthcare works like Congress. nt valerief Mar 2014 #463

This is why you need to call the insurance commissioner nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #120

I'm not sure what Anthem did wrong to be honest theboss Mar 2014 #131

Here is the problem in a nutshell nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #140

Every medicine approved by the FDA? theboss Mar 2014 #144

And this is where we should be talking single payor. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #154

How would Single Payer solve the alleged problem? nt. bluestate10 Mar 2014 #395

The fedfs negotiate one single formulary nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #396

Wow. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #152

That's a damn good argument against them theboss Mar 2014 #160

The very argument I made to them today WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #168

Dan can't do anything theboss Mar 2014 #195

Will, it's time to start writing letters of appeal, and getting your wife a clinician at the msanthrope Mar 2014 #207

In the meantime it might be worth contacting the pharma that makes the med mcar Mar 2014 #232

This was probably the best advice on the whole thread theboss Mar 2014 #471

Hey There "Nadinbrzezinski" You Are One Here That I Know ChiciB1 Mar 2014 #374

You should also contact the insurance commissioner nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #377

What Delegation? AND I Think This IS A Formulary ChiciB1 Mar 2014 #388

Your congress critter nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #390

Okay... ChiciB1 Mar 2014 #398

I live on the other coast nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #400

Well At Least You Do Have Some ChiciB1 Mar 2014 #401

I mentioned Hunter since he represents a red blood district nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #402

Could Be True... ChiciB1 Mar 2014 #409

It is worth trying nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #411

Me Either! ChiciB1 Mar 2014 #413

When did medical insurance start being called healthcare? valerief Mar 2014 #132

When uninsured folks started to hear "go elsewhere or pay cash," when calling for an appointment. Hoyt Mar 2014 #150

And when did 'mandate' start being called 'universal?' leftstreet Mar 2014 #153

k&r, again Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #135

How does the government ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #255

Exactly Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #257

That's it.... ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #273

Quit while you are only this far behind. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #145

K&R woo me with science Mar 2014 #149

There was a reason why people thought this would lead to nationalized health care Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #166

you are going to hear the same kooky and crackpot defense of the ACA that you hear for the NSA from Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #170

It actually doesn't look to be ACA related at all.... msanthrope Mar 2014 #187

the ACA allows it. That didn't have to be Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #208

No one said you can get every drug you want theboss Mar 2014 #217

no, but it implied you can get the ones you need. Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #222

And if you read the full thread, Will's wife can get MS drugs theboss Mar 2014 #225

Formularies exist in single-payer, too. Of course you have formularies. msanthrope Mar 2014 #227

The ACA will save my neice's life. She's not part of the NSA. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #291

The simple fact is that this would have happened if the ACA had never geek tragedy Mar 2014 #386

Will, please correct the incorrect insurance information in your other thread--- msanthrope Mar 2014 #178

Don't interrupt ProSense Mar 2014 #188

Forget it, he's rolling.... msanthrope Mar 2014 #197

The Truth just woke up and is putting on it's running shoes. Wonder whether bluestate10 Mar 2014 #397

That family friend sounds like a Ron Pauler or a Bagger Whisp Mar 2014 #199

Our grand experiment in Free Market National health care is not succeding Agnosticsherbet Mar 2014 #186

This message was self-deleted by its author KamaAina Mar 2014 #203

My prayers for your wife but it still doesn't justify calling the President a "piece of shit" brush Mar 2014 #209

What was the full quote? truebrit71 Mar 2014 #212

Your blame is misplaced. A formulary is not some invention of the ACA or even of private insurers. pnwmom Mar 2014 #239

This isn't a one size fits all kind of thing, is it? LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #248

I AM grateful that I can get far enough to have to jump through hoops for meds, Will. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #249

Being angry at public servants that we pay is not PC..if they're Democrats. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #263

Apparently so... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #271

I will mock your anger in no way. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #266

My 2 cents: Approx. 1 in 5 folks have a hole in their hearts--most don't know it. hue Mar 2014 #274

He'll also get credit for saving my neice's life. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #306

Will Pitt I understand how you feel riverbendviewgal Mar 2014 #316

Can you get any drug you want? theboss Mar 2014 #319

I dont know what those are. riverbendviewgal Mar 2014 #325

Here: ProSense Mar 2014 #326

Thanks ProSense riverbendviewgal Mar 2014 #327

Medical systems in civilized countries have formularies nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #364

Will, this fight isn't over and hasn't been ever. Skidmore Mar 2014 #341

Your wife's situation should not be happening to anyone in the United States, to say Obama's Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #342

When you're right, you're right. I'm sorry for your perdicament, Will. badtoworse Mar 2014 #350

may I say, William Skittles Mar 2014 #367

You don't have it straight. gulliver Mar 2014 #379

That isn't the point. ProSense Mar 2014 #389

I will put forward the real possibility that the OP's plan offers alternatives, bluestate10 Mar 2014 #399

Shhhh.. not suppose to mention the OP doesn't have shit straight or being straight. TYG. Cha Mar 2014 #422

So, basically the ACA is junk insurance. KatyaR Mar 2014 #385

Dude, just move across the border and get insured in Massachusetts. nt. bluestate10 Mar 2014 #391

I was once denied coverage for my son's broken arm... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #393

It is too bad all that forward momentum to fix our health care mess was basically wasted. raouldukelives Mar 2014 #403

+1 840high Mar 2014 #408

+1 JVS Mar 2014 #417

sadly, so many people are falling for it Skittles Mar 2014 #438

ObamaCare, it's the best legislation rightwing Heritage Foundation could write. blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #407

ACA allows insurance companies to charge "lifesytle" premiums pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #410

Kucinich had a better plan. Medicare for all. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #412

Yeah, too bad not enough votes. He did Vote for ACA.. along with Alan Grayson and Cha Mar 2014 #420

It has always been called "a first step".... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #423

The gop have tried to REPEAL it 50.. they sure don't want it to go Cha Mar 2014 #424

Well sure. Their message doesn't fly when every other country has it but us.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #426

LOL! Cha Mar 2014 #430

For the record... NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #434

...and under it, Will would most-likely still be getting initially rejected. Chan790 Mar 2014 #437

She would probably still not be able to get these meds under Medicare for all theboss Mar 2014 #444

USA, The Big Money The Wizard Mar 2014 #414

I know you are justifiably angry, but there is recourse KauaiK Mar 2014 #418

Now, now now..... DeSwiss Mar 2014 #419

No, you don't have it "straight". jazzimov Mar 2014 #425

What you said. It's been a long 13 years for all of us. Hekate Mar 2014 #432

This is the reason (along with not being able to afford it) that I won't get coverage.......... mrmpa Mar 2014 #427

I'm so very glad I got my children raptor_rider Mar 2014 #429

An important post, Will. madfloridian Mar 2014 #431

And.... Coyote_Bandit Mar 2014 #443

Here's the 'Specialty Drug' list from Anthem BC - New Hampshire for MS: sinkingfeeling Mar 2014 #446

someone's parsing words . . . mzteris Mar 2014 #452

And it largely depends on where you live. alarimer Mar 2014 #486

Well OwnedByCats Mar 2014 #488

Appeals work-In 1993 or so, Blue Cross denied a sleep study for me Gothmog Mar 2014 #490

As usual, people would rather whine about their supposed hurt feelings than focus on what actually nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #493