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treestar

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39. Again you are conflating enthusiastic support
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:27 AM
Mar 2014

with being in total agreement with you as the only acceptable thing and that is never going to happen in the real world.

Is there a serious argument that we would be closer to single payer with no ACA?

I could as well call whoever you want to win to be your dreamy hero. That kind of talk is just being mean. Maybe people really do want this person in the office and want him to succeed as well as possible and want to set the ground so as to make more progress in the future under the next D President? Maybe they really think that cheerleading on the D President could lead to more D midterm voters and a Congress that will vote for more progress? The D Senate we had wasn't progressive enough for a public option. We should have cheered Obama for wanting one and blamed the Republicans that we can't have it, and that way we'd get more Dem voters out to vote for a Senate that might allow for it.

Just blaming the D president as "weak" didn't work. It did not pull one Dem leftward. It just got them out of office in favor of Republicans.

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k&r... spanone Mar 2014 #1
Mission Accomplished ucrdem Mar 2014 #2
Nice photo. ProSense Mar 2014 #6
Mission NOT accomplished ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #23
+1000. nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #29
I don't think the ACA ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #32
That is what I'm hoping, although the strategy is perplexing at times. nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #37
Not at all ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #42
Yep. n/t Orsino Mar 2014 #49
Oh there's room to grow sure ucrdem Mar 2014 #58
Me? Diminish ANYTHING this President accomplishes? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #60
I was wondering, what is wrong with cheerleading? treestar Mar 2014 #3
I'm a cheerleader and proud. ProSense Mar 2014 #5
Totally treestar Mar 2014 #13
I've been pointing that out too ... the same folks claiming the voters aren't excited ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #7
thank you! treestar Mar 2014 #12
I used to think that hfojvt Mar 2014 #15
I used to think that liberals were realtively optimistic. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #18
Thanks Joe, that about sums it up. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #27
But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #43
the main thing wrong with cheerleading hfojvt Mar 2014 #8
Nonsense, and ProSense Mar 2014 #9
I made a general statement about cheerleading hfojvt Mar 2014 #10
How do we get the voters "excited" treestar Mar 2014 #14
Wait ProSense Mar 2014 #17
my bad hfojvt Mar 2014 #30
You got the argument without "could" and ProSense Mar 2014 #64
I assume a cheerleader is genuinely in favor of the policy treestar Mar 2014 #11
yes, and some cheerleaders were genuinely in favor hfojvt Mar 2014 #20
then cheerleading is not inherently wrong treestar Mar 2014 #21
it is bad when people wrongly believe that bad policy is good hfojvt Mar 2014 #25
Again you are conflating enthusiastic support treestar Mar 2014 #39
Gee ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #46
If you are talking to a potential Dem voter ... what will you say about the ACA? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #16
I won't talk about the ACA unless I am asked hfojvt Mar 2014 #22
Then I hope those people meet my niece and not you. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #26
you do realize hfojvt Mar 2014 #40
So you are going to find the Democrats running against treestar Mar 2014 #36
But of late ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #44
worse than that hfojvt Mar 2014 #45
True. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #53
Funny how that works, huh? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #31
Exactly! Cheerleading for Elizabeth and Bernie treestar Mar 2014 #33
But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #38
ACA Tide Turns: Protesters Arrested In GA, GOPer Schools Scottie ProSense Mar 2014 #4
FACTS SUCK!!!! / sarcarsm <-----cause this is needed around here uponit7771 Mar 2014 #19
Scott Brown gets an awkward lesson about Obamacare ProSense Mar 2014 #24
He's running on all negative when it comes to Obamacare Iliyah Mar 2014 #35
Elizabeth Warren is already hitting him on Jeanne Shaheen's behalf. ProSense Mar 2014 #56
Great! Scottie's like the engergizer Cha Mar 2014 #66
He'll get his ass handed to him. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #69
Heap of satisfaction seeing one Loser Carpetbag Cha Mar 2014 #71
I wonder what state he will try to screw next. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #41
Paul Ryan also got called out at a town hall ProSense Mar 2014 #47
And so it begins~ sheshe2 Mar 2014 #48
Yup! ProSense Mar 2014 #52
Wonderful! thanks Obama! Cha Mar 2014 #67
That should be an OP.. Scott Brown isn't the only one who's gotten Cha Mar 2014 #65
He's such a tool. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #70
I'll say "mission accomplished" when we have Medicare for all mountain grammy Mar 2014 #28
Agree. The goal is single payer. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #54
I love your posts, ProSense. The links are good and always produce even more than expected. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #61
Thanks ProSense Mar 2014 #62
Did you see this: ProSense Mar 2014 #72
K & R Iliyah Mar 2014 #34
That "Uh... we should be thanking *Bernie Sanders and Ron Wyden" thread Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #50
LOL! n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #51
LOL! ProSense Mar 2014 #75
It's almost Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #76
Robert Reich on Obamacare ProSense Mar 2014 #55
kick and rec ! nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #57
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Thanks. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #63
K Cha Mar 2014 #68
Hey, thanks: ProSense Mar 2014 #73
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