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VanillaRhapsody

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208. but you missed the point they desperately WANT to blame Obama for not getting us

Reply to kelliekat44 (Reply #88)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:01 PM

Mar 2014

Single Payer Healthcare....its just about their hate...that is all. (They also think we don't notice this).

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There were a whole bunch of progressives who were against the ACA [View all] quinnox Mar 2014 OP

no, there were very, very few who allied with the Tea Party and the Koch Brothers geek tragedy Mar 2014 #1

ACA was not about saving humans Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #34

I think perhaps you ought to go up to someone Arkana Mar 2014 #69

Which would have happened if we had a public option Doctor_J Mar 2014 #102

Close your eyes real tight and click your heels 3 times ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #126

We don't know that for certain since no one tried to get the public option, cui bono Mar 2014 #229

Yes we do ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #234

I'm not talking about counting votes. cui bono Mar 2014 #242

Then you are talking fantasy ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #245

Now you are projecting. cui bono Mar 2014 #256

Projecting? .... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #259

I disagree.... mike_c Mar 2014 #42

I agree with the end goal, but it was very hard to find people who honestly thought geek tragedy Mar 2014 #51

Exactly passiveporcupine Mar 2014 #89

I wish I could rec your post. Control-Z Mar 2014 #117

Thank you passiveporcupine Mar 2014 #121

Leading up to the ACA Baucus and the rest should have been less reluctant Enthusiast Mar 2014 #138

I would rec this post too but I think it is evasive of the cost for what was returned and our TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #213

I agree with you on much of what you say passiveporcupine Mar 2014 #223

The ACA success I hear over and over Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #226

She is turning 26 next year and she is now able to work passiveporcupine Mar 2014 #231

Yeah but there are stepping stones we have to take before we dance brush Mar 2014 #93

The sickness-for-profit industry has to go. Say it again! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #137

Please do not do this - TBF Mar 2014 #61

the question at the end of the day is what would move the ball forward-- geek tragedy Mar 2014 #62

Right & we heard that. TBF Mar 2014 #63

I share that hope. The big movement underneath our feet has been geek tragedy Mar 2014 #65

The ACA moved the ball forward in some respects and backward in other respects. Jim Lane Mar 2014 #168

No, had the ACA failed no one would have thought "we have to make it more appealing to geek tragedy Mar 2014 #170

I see it differently. Jim Lane Mar 2014 #257

You were told it would not pass? treestar Mar 2014 #151

Here we go again - TBF Mar 2014 #155

That still sounds so passive treestar Mar 2014 #159

Feel good in knowing you are not the only person that notices that. Rex Mar 2014 #174

That's not true Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #175

I like the photos - TBF Mar 2014 #189

Someone has to make sure the self-fulfilling prophecy happens Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #214

Defend Obama at any and all costs....... SammyWinstonJack Mar 2014 #248

bullshit, yes "WE" were... the majority of democrats were... uponit7771 Mar 2014 #186

Maybe the poster thinks it was Teabaggers who wanted Single Payer?? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #194

I was for single payer all the way BlueJac Mar 2014 #87

There is no reason to assume that the ACA would be more affordable than single payer. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #139

it sounds like you are implying G_j Mar 2014 #97

when the final vote of the ACA was in the House, some extreme so-called progressives geek tragedy Mar 2014 #99

here we go G_j Mar 2014 #106

with respect, that is not what I said. I acknowledged that there was a lot geek tragedy Mar 2014 #109

thanks for clarifying G_j Mar 2014 #111

if the choice had been ACA vs medicare for all, I would have voted for the latter. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #113

You are spouting revisionist history Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #107

+1 an entire shit load! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #140

More Pro-Sensical Revisionism NoOneMan Mar 2014 #127

Said no one with any kind of actual responsibility. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #163

Hello? Being against certain aspects of the ACA WAS NOT THE SAME AS being "allied with the Tea WinkyDink Mar 2014 #143

and when the choice was "pass or fail" on the March 2010 votes, it was a much different story. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #164

Amen uponit7771 Mar 2014 #185

Since when did Tea Baggers support Single Payer or as a compromise, which is the fall back promise, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #193

by March 2010, it was ACA or no ACA. The ACA was nobody's first choice nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #195

You made an amazing claim. That it was Teabaggers who supported the PO. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #196

no what I said that it was the Teabaggers and their allies who wanted the ACA to get defeated nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #197

No, you stated clearly that it was only a small radical group who wanted the PO and they were sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #199

You're making shit up. Please do not lie about what I said. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #200

You made a statement comparing those of us, which is a majority of Democrats and always has been sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #201

False equivalence. cui bono Mar 2014 #228

DU was at the very *least* deeply divided on the ACA. Marr Mar 2014 #232

You don't need to remind me. Skinner Mar 2014 #2

I respectfully disagree about the ACA, in that I don't think it was good to pass it as it stood quinnox Mar 2014 #13

Please stop spreading Koch Brothers/AFP lies about the ACA geek tragedy Mar 2014 #24

Interesting the focus on health care spending and not the cost of premiums. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #41

"one could say we're spending more and getting less" geek tragedy Mar 2014 #43

Complaining that the ACA doesnt go far enough is not the same as what the Koch Bro rhett o rick Mar 2014 #95

the person stated that people are paying more and getting less because geek tragedy Mar 2014 #96

Huh? Here is exactly what they stated: "I respectfully disagree about the ACA, in that I don't rhett o rick Mar 2014 #108

It is a Koch-brothers sponsored lie that there were no cost-control provisions in the ACA. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #112

The post was written with respect. They disagreed with you and you call them a liar. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #122

It's not a matter of opinion, it's facts, even the critics who say geek tragedy Mar 2014 #123

You gotta love those that are so confident that they know all the answers rhett o rick Mar 2014 #125

Gotta love those who say "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." geek tragedy Mar 2014 #129

"The matter is not in controversy amongst the informed." "The informed"? rhett o rick Mar 2014 #130

Do you have any basis upon which to dispute geek tragedy Mar 2014 #131

No amount of "basis" can over come your extreme bias. You attack all statements that might rhett o rick Mar 2014 #134

In other words, "no." nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #135

+1! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #142

I decided to eliminate the frustration and put that poster on ignore. I dont need to rhett o rick Mar 2014 #207

After a while it becomes exhausting. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #216

No I dont give them that much credit. Most are frightened authoritarians. They were brought rhett o rick Mar 2014 #221

Thanks. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #258

It's as if David Koch was sipping a glass of water as he said that! Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #176

Are you claiming that David Koch would utter the words, "I don't think it was good to pass it as it rhett o rick Mar 2014 #205

Premiums are not up. Schema Thing Mar 2014 #202

"Premiums are not up" Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #225

I am still not convinced that was a good thing hfojvt Mar 2014 #48

Just wishing for something doesn't get it passed...see that is the problem you "good progressives" VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #3

nihilists, dude, nihilists. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #4

true....I always forget about the nihilists! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #8

I don't roll on shabbas nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author truebrit71 Mar 2014 #5

Weren't the polls showing people wanted a public option. Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #66

Polls show people support a lot that a gerrymandered House won't pass bigbrother05 Mar 2014 #71

Amen to that. And don't you think that the President and his supporters were trying to ge what they kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #88

but you missed the point they desperately WANT to blame Obama for not getting us VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #208

+1 Adrahil Mar 2014 #105

Yep...but it doesn't mean we can make it happen as there really is no magic wand VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #210

Agree. :) NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #220

doesn't mean it will never happen does it? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #120

Yup.... NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #103

In the end they are Ideologues. No clue how to actually MAKE progress, yet they call themselves KittyWampus Mar 2014 #119

Oh see but it would if Obama just "tried" or "twisted arms" treestar Mar 2014 #152

Agreed. We had the Repugs and the Blue Dogs to get through before we could get passage of the ACA. politicaljunkie41910 Mar 2014 #209

This is what we got and this is what we deal with. A lot of us Autumn Mar 2014 #6

just about everyone is disappointed with at least a few aspects of the ACA. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #7

Yes I understand. If we had hoped for more such as a public option, Autumn Mar 2014 #18

I don't think we are disagreeing. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #28

No I don't think we are disagreeing either. It is what it is. Autumn Mar 2014 #35

As there was virtual animosity against the ones who had hoped for more. Autumn Mar 2014 #40

so are you saying only those DUers and progressives that were "shouted down" were good? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #14

That's the gist of the framing, anyway. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #19

yep....they keep trying to insult don't they? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #23

It is truely amazing quakerboy Mar 2014 #98

I think the shout-downs were only to people who preferred NO bill to a compromised bill. pnwmom Mar 2014 #15

I remember differently. There were those who said kill the bill (idiots) and others who had Autumn Mar 2014 #26

There are parts I think are good... one_voice Mar 2014 #9

No, that statement should be taken this way: Maedhros Mar 2014 #30

If you were against the ACA, then that means you are against the lives its saving. phleshdef Mar 2014 #10

No, I'm against a system that doesn't automatically cover everyone Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #233

You are against a system that is saving lives if you are against the ACA. phleshdef Mar 2014 #236

Except for the people who still can't afford care even with insurance Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #237

Deductibles are well balanced with the max out of pocket cost. phleshdef Mar 2014 #238

Are you living in the real middle class/working class world with your opinion of deductibles? Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #241

Yes. Between my wife and I, we rank somewhere in the 50ish percentile of income. phleshdef Mar 2014 #243

All the policies I've seen require the co-pays AFTER the deductible Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #250

Yes, there are co-pays up until the point you meet the out of pocket cost. phleshdef Mar 2014 #253

For my age and income group, the platinum plans are unaffordable, even with the subsidy Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #260

You misunderstand what Potter is saying. There never was a loss ratio standard before the ACA. phleshdef Mar 2014 #261

So are you bragging about not wanting to get any bill passed, or what? pnwmom Mar 2014 #11

but if you say that you are apparently not a "good DU'er or Progressive" VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #16

Well that's just it isn't it? Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #54

but saying that those that were trying to "kill the bill" were the "good DUer's and Progressives" VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #55

I agree there Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #60

This isn't about personal feelings toward Obama, or it shouldn't be. This is about giving the facts pnwmom Mar 2014 #67

You mean Scott Brown. Arkana Mar 2014 #70

LOL. Hey, they're all interchangeable parts these days, aren't they? pnwmom Mar 2014 #78

I, for one, wanted Public Option. Feral Child Mar 2014 #17

I'm thinking in 2 years the ACA as it stands now will have Autumn Mar 2014 #56

Yes. Feral Child Mar 2014 #59

better than nothing- better than the staus quo was where most progressives were coming from Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #20

The rest of the western world Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #45

PLUS ONE! nt Enthusiast Mar 2014 #145

No "progressives" were against the law. iandhr Mar 2014 #21

Don't expect a response to that ... some here think the only thing JoePhilly Mar 2014 #83

A blatant misrepresentation Doctor_J Mar 2014 #100

Nothing about iandhr Mar 2014 #101

I like your posts CJCRANE Mar 2014 #22

No agenda. I refer to what I think of as "good progressives" here at DU. I respect them immensely quinnox Mar 2014 #29

It's okay, it doesn't disturb me, it's just that we're all self-appointed here CJCRANE Mar 2014 #47

Heh, I hear ya quinnox Mar 2014 #52

What you said nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #25

+ a gazillion. "The system does not serve the people" quinnox Mar 2014 #49

"And while we could not get anything better, it's because the system does not serve the people. " NCTraveler Mar 2014 #50

Yes, ProSense Mar 2014 #27

I was for it, vocally, because of the pre-existing conditions clause. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #31

I'm sorry to read about your situation, and it was horrible to see cold-hearted lock stepper types quinnox Mar 2014 #32

Where did anyone "attack" the poster for his "situation"? ProSense Mar 2014 #38

I saw mostly positive advice and some premature resignation. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #53

No one attacked him for his situation. He was attacked for misplacing the blame in a nasty way. phleshdef Mar 2014 #79

He was set straight all right Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #177

Because you didn't understand how insurance works apparently theboss Mar 2014 #37

Well, AFP is looking for Obamacare victims, maybe you can tell geek tragedy Mar 2014 #46

I was against it because of the children with pre-existing conditions clause that dumped ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #68

as you should. Schema Thing Mar 2014 #203

Pony! 1000words Mar 2014 #33

Right. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #44

Capitalism is NOT progressive. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #36

Getting more health care to more people is. n/t Orsino Mar 2014 #218

If you were against the ACA, I'd take issue with your self-characterization. riqster Mar 2014 #39

the good, the bad and the oogly. Whisp Mar 2014 #57

It wasn't that black and white tularetom Mar 2014 #58

I agree. I agreed when they dumped my son from his insurance policy after the initial ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #64

Thankfully people like Grayson, Sanders and Kucinich weren't against the ACA Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #73

I am not a fan of Grayson. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #74

But I'm sure you agree with him on most issues Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #76

I do not. Sorry. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #81

Excuse me? Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #85

But note that they were strong-armed into voting for the ACA Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #110

Yep! cer7711 Mar 2014 #72

Exactly, that is the same timeline I remember quinnox Mar 2014 #80

+1 an entire shit load! "Welcome to the United States of "Meh"." Enthusiast Mar 2014 #146

You seem unaware of what "meh" means. Schema Thing Mar 2014 #204

You're Completely Missing the "Meta" Subtext cer7711 Mar 2014 #211

I don't ctsnowman Mar 2014 #75

John Boehner would like to hear from you. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #77

We had to start Somewhere taotzu Mar 2014 #82

I remember that clearly, the "Professional Left". Phlem Mar 2014 #84

"well fix it later" just turned into "there's nothing to fix" (and now it's becoming "Obama wanted MisterP Mar 2014 #86

There were, and I am one of them. FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #90

this is the ACA rtracey Mar 2014 #91

+1 area51 Mar 2014 #179

the ACA doesn't give us health CARE. It gives us health INSURANCE. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #92

I agree with this 100% +1. dilby Mar 2014 #114

That is how I see it as well. The ACA is a band-aid on a hopelessly broken system quinnox Mar 2014 #116

+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #147

Single payer is just health insurance Recursion Mar 2014 #150

This one is so lame treestar Mar 2014 #156

Never mind. It would probably get hidden. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #158

Which proves emotional reasoning treestar Mar 2014 #160

I'm not a mindless cheerleader. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #161

Of course you aren't treestar Mar 2014 #162

Who said anything about "being "given" health care instead of a way to pay for it." hobbit709 Mar 2014 #166

Then why not put it as we want single payer instead of insurance companies? treestar Mar 2014 #188

Right, single payer plans in Canada and the UK still have some of the same problems as... phleshdef Mar 2014 #247

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #182

Yea these folks don't understand that single payer is still essentially HEALTH INSURANCE. phleshdef Mar 2014 #246

Actually, the ACA doesn't give us jack squat... derby378 Mar 2014 #180

For all practical purposes it ends the phenomenon of medical bankruptcy. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #183

I dunno about that... derby378 Mar 2014 #184

Wrestling with insurance companies is inconvenient and frustrating. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #187

Single payer would do the exact same thing. You would get a bill for it. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #224

Pretty sure when I go for a checkup soon, an then a colonscopy Schema Thing Mar 2014 #206

This message was self-deleted by its author 1monster Mar 2014 #94

If I recall, there were basically 3 groups on the DU... hughee99 Mar 2014 #104

You remember correctly Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #115

I agree with everything you have written. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #171

Some said that it was a necessary "first step". Ok, when is the "second step?". nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #133

When there is another Democratic Congress treestar Mar 2014 #154

It's too bad we didn't have one when the ACA was Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #178

I was in the group that thought, Enthusiast Mar 2014 #148

And those same people would have been against implementing Social Security KittyWampus Mar 2014 #118

NOT true AT ALL. Nice specious claim, though. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #144

Very true treestar Mar 2014 #153

That is not true Harmony Blue Mar 2014 #169

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2014 #240

I was against it before I was for it. I thought the Clinton's could spank Lieberman into submission. adirondacker Mar 2014 #124

I was LittleBlue Mar 2014 #128

THANK YOU Skittles Mar 2014 #132

+1 Enthusiast Mar 2014 #136

*Raises hand.* I thought---and still think---the SCOTUS ruling on the mandate was unConstitutional. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #141

The ACA is very much Obama's original proposal. joshcryer Mar 2014 #149

This is a pretty good summation - TBF Mar 2014 #190

I was opposed, too. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #157

I was one of them Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #165

dissent is patriotic Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #167

ACA Tide Turns: Protesters Arrested In GA, GOPer Schools Scottie ProSense Mar 2014 #172

Yes. I'm one of them. LWolf Mar 2014 #173

Here: ProSense Mar 2014 #181

Democrats were FOR PO at least. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #191

Saying the Public Option was shot down without consideration IS revisionist history BklnDem75 Mar 2014 #192

Why could Nelson and Lieberman not have been strong-armed the way Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #212

They held all the cards BklnDem75 Mar 2014 #215

Whatever you say about the Republicans, they don't put up Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #227

I'm positive the tea party disagrees with you BklnDem75 Mar 2014 #249

I wanted Medicare for all, but ACA is better B Calm Mar 2014 #198

The story of our lives as progressive Democrats is that we always shoot for what's best Zorra Mar 2014 #217

Many of the people that are the most Aerows Mar 2014 #219

True...I wasn't a fan of the bill at first, but... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #222

The public option was killed in a backroom Senate Democrats meeting bluestateguy Mar 2014 #230

I was against it Bernie2016 Mar 2014 #235

If only my wife and daughter were still without health insurance! killbotfactory Mar 2014 #239

That may very well be true... LannyDeVaney Mar 2014 #244

There's a difference between "against" and "Wishing it were a lot better" Scootaloo Mar 2014 #251

There are lots of people who wanted the U.S. to go from neo-fascist corporate, to lovely paradise Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #252

Yes, there was a lot of support for a public option. cheapdate Mar 2014 #254

Yeah the fight over single payer. Looks like 85 people agree with you. Rex Mar 2014 #255