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Democracyinkind

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51. If you happen to speak German...

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:24 PM

Mar 2014

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/ausland/asien-und-ozeanien/Sotschi-war-ein-Klacks-dagegen/story/30024787

This article from 03/17 makes pretty much the same point, giving more numbers, especially concerning future Russian investment. If I remember correctly it also compares those numbers to what Ukrainians have to expect now that Austerites have taken over.

This does add a valuable perspective on why many people might have generally preferred joining the Russian Federation. "Zuerst kommt das Fressen, und dann die Moral", as Brecht said, which is basically an artistic restatement of Maslowian social theory.

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Crimea Vote: 83% of Eligible Voters. Salaries & Pensions (SS) to Double. Retirement Age Drops: [View all] grahamhgreen Mar 2014 OP

No, we are told that Yes votes were all part of Putin ballot stuffing. former9thward Mar 2014 #1

I know. 83% of eligible voters is a pretty big margin, and with the benefits, why wouldn't they vote grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #2

They are now also entitled to go west young man Mar 2014 #38

A paper ballot dropped by hand into transparent ballot boxes. No wonder we're pissed Catherina Mar 2014 #6

omg, i didn't see your post Catherina.. This IS what WE need ! 2banon Mar 2014 #11

I'd love to see those. Here are a few more. I watched the voting on video Catherina Mar 2014 #13

Those are excellent.. I can't find the one I saw in an article, but these speak volumes! 2banon Mar 2014 #14

You watched this process on line? Wow! 2banon Mar 2014 #15

As much of it as I could. Interviews with international observers (135 observers from 23 countries) Catherina Mar 2014 #29

things are moving quickly 2banon Mar 2014 #34

"reports indicate that several ballots were 'pre-marked'” ProSense Mar 2014 #12

Says the guys who's own elections go west young man Mar 2014 #37

Interesting Joe Shlabotnik Mar 2014 #3

Everybody is outraged at the "Russian invasion" of Crimea...except the Crimeans. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #4

Yes, looks like there were a lot of benefits to reunion. OTOH, austerity if they stayed with Ukraine grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #5

I know.. some of the threads around here actually flipping out over the "invasion!" n/t 2banon Mar 2014 #16

Yes. Wish we'd butt out of there. 840high Mar 2014 #32

How did I miss this? Highly rec'd Catherina Mar 2014 #7

Excellent! OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #8

Hope springs eternal in the human heart Fumesucker Mar 2014 #17

You make your bed... OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #19

Oh, you mean like this? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #20

More like this: OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #22

That's nothing!!! 6 Walmart Heirs Hold More Wealth Than 42% of Americans Combined!!!! grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #26

Stunning, isn't it? And we are worried about other people's economic issues? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #47

That's a thing of beauty, Fumesucker. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #40

What a bunch of Takers n/t n2doc Mar 2014 #9

And they used Paper Ballots, dropped into Transparent Containers (acrylic?) 2banon Mar 2014 #10

You're actually trying to justify an anschluss type situation with social programs? stevenleser Mar 2014 #18

Actually, it's ProSense Mar 2014 #23

What that quote says is if they CHOOSE to keep thier Ukrainian passport, they can not vote. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #25

What about the people who boycotted the vote, those who oppose it? n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #27

OMG, it's called democracy. They lose. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #28

No ProSense Mar 2014 #30

I think you're unhappy that 840high Mar 2014 #33

In my view, the US fostered a coup in the Ukraine and ousted an elected leader. That's the neo-con grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #35

there were election observers, both physically present and watching on video magical thyme Mar 2014 #41

I wouldn't characterize it as that, more like voting to increase retirement age like the Republicans grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #24

The people voted. Are you saying they have no right to determine their own future? And here I sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #48

Basically the Crimea vote reflects the will of the majority of Crimeans LittleBlue Mar 2014 #21

+1. They never even wanted to be part of Ukraine either Catherina Mar 2014 #31

"The Anschluss was given immediate effect, subject to ratification by a plebiscite". Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #36

But you agree that lowering the retirement age, doubling pensions, and increasing salaries, while grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #39

that's actually not a good comparison for any number of reasons. cali Mar 2014 #43

Crimea was effectively separated from Russia (and that's what counts) cali Mar 2014 #42

Recommend! KoKo Mar 2014 #44

Sounds like Crimea CFLDem Mar 2014 #45

Yeah I sure would vote for that stuff here in the good old USA. Autumn Mar 2014 #46

bribing the population with a guaranteed living wage? How dare he! librechik Mar 2014 #49

kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #50

If you happen to speak German... Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #51

Did you forget the part about conscription for young Crimean men? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #52