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112. jury results:

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:44 PM

Mar 2014

Finally, a flawless victory for a jury. Been a long time. HA!
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If you unfairly, wrongly and very publicly attack someone, shouldn't you apologize?
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If you unfairly, wrongly and very publicly attack someone, shouldn't you apologize? [View all] fried eggs Mar 2014 OP

Absolutely. nt arthritisR_US Mar 2014 #1

Anything specific? Just a general thought? nt. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #2

Just thinking out loud. fried eggs Mar 2014 #4

Just a hunch question everything Mar 2014 #286

Out of at least self-respect, yes. Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #3

Gee, I have no idea who you're talking about! I certainly wouldn't call this thread a call-out joeybee12 Mar 2014 #5

Who have I called out? Did someone here do that? fried eggs Mar 2014 #9

... Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #78

You've got that right n/t Aerows Mar 2014 #122

HAHA, bingo! nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #300

Oh come on now. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2014 #282

It wasn't a call-out. It was a philosophical question. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #21

Chuck a rock ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #219

Meta went that away. Lars39 Mar 2014 #6

Once a fried egg always a fried egg ... MindMover Mar 2014 #7

Yes, one should apologize Cirque du So-What Mar 2014 #8

Poltroon? Wow! oldhippie Mar 2014 #52

Why don't you just say the shit you want to say and stop with the stupid analogy? nt Logical Mar 2014 #10

This. nt. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #13

I think I did. There are no analogies in my OP. fried eggs Mar 2014 #17

Are you smart enough to realize the drug company solved the issue, not the insurance company?? n-t Logical Mar 2014 #20

Are you smart enough to realize pnwmom Mar 2014 #31

You are so totally, totally wrong - here's the proof. Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #138

Excellent post n/t Oilwellian Mar 2014 #145

Nicely done. 1000words Mar 2014 #166

He called the President a "piece of shit" brush Mar 2014 #211

Once, I told my mother I hated her. 1000words Mar 2014 #227

There's a big difference brush Mar 2014 #231

I think you overestimate DU's audience ... 1000words Mar 2014 #234

Maybe so, but DU is online and potentially available to whoever is online nt brush Mar 2014 #273

I really hope you apologized fried eggs Mar 2014 #233

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono Mar 2014 #298

+1000 G_j Mar 2014 #168

He hadn't even bothered to check the 9 other insurers because he said it would be a waste of time. pnwmom Mar 2014 #230

You are wrong on several counts. Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #243

I have said before that the word insurance and health does not compute .... MindMover Mar 2014 #244

Should the ACA allow drug companies to price gouge? pnwmom Mar 2014 #255

Single payer, drugs purchased thru government run pharmacies .... MindMover Mar 2014 #256

Maybe so. There has to be something better than the current system pnwmom Mar 2014 #258

No, you're wrong. Will did NOT say he was limited to a silver ACA plan in NH. pnwmom Mar 2014 #253

Excellent post. nt Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #265

Well Done. bvar22 Mar 2014 #249

Just sick! Their motives for chopping are even more sickening! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2014 #283

Evidently not. Cha Mar 2014 #278

People should apologize for vicious attacks on others, but the fact that they engage in vicious sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #68

Which is why, IMO, a lot of people here owe the person we are not mentioning an apology. Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #162

I didn't abuse him. Look at his first OP. Even though he was spreading the lie pnwmom Mar 2014 #257

Were you directly involved? I was called applegrove Mar 2014 #261

They don't want to be reminded that the one who used the Prez as his personal whipping post.. Cha Mar 2014 #281

There is absolutely nothing wrong with generalizing a problem or a question cheapdate Mar 2014 #279

Yeah, a very public apology is in order jsr Mar 2014 #11

! progressoid Mar 2014 #62

How about a simple.... Sheepshank Mar 2014 #141

I once told a guy who worked for me he was wrong, that it was a stupid idea until I found out he hollysmom Mar 2014 #232

No. There will be no apology. that's not Cha Mar 2014 #294

Yes, just as soon as Obama signs up on DU Will should definitely apologize. Autumn Mar 2014 #12

+1000! n-t Logical Mar 2014 #15

Don't know what you're talking about fried eggs Mar 2014 #23

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #36

You Go, Girl! Feral Child Mar 2014 #90

That she did! Whisp Mar 2014 #116

~ sheshe2 Mar 2014 #288

What was your other DU name? morningfog Mar 2014 #270

You speak of integrity.... that's a laugh. cui bono Mar 2014 #304

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #61

Sounds like some pretzel logic to me. Rex Mar 2014 #87

I was wondering . . . Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #111

You were reading my mind Oilwellian Mar 2014 #150

If you leave them out a few days and let them harden cui bono Mar 2014 #305

Definitely a sock. morningfog Mar 2014 #271

Amazing your post got hidden Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #117

Why is that amazing? fried eggs Mar 2014 #182

Oh I think President Obama would like fried eggs just Fine. He's a good guy.. they both are. Cha Mar 2014 #295

Yes, but remember, it takes character to admit when you are wrong. FSogol Mar 2014 #14

How was he wrong when the Drug company solved the issue, not the insurance company??? nt Logical Mar 2014 #18

Did the ACA create the situation ... or did the ACA not resolve JoePhilly Mar 2014 #32

If the ACA can institute a way to appeal, it can sure as hell tinker with the sacred Formulary�, Lars39 Mar 2014 #39

Probably will at some point. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #50

Single payer with price controls on meds would have done wonders for his situation. Lars39 Mar 2014 #55

Nonsense. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #97

But meanwhile, hush up about anything that negatively affects your medical care. Lars39 Mar 2014 #102

Except I didn't say that. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #103

Yes, I am telling people that. Lars39 Mar 2014 #109

I acknowledged the ACA has problems above. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #127

Really? Lars39 Mar 2014 #131

Can you show me a post where some one claims the ACA has no issues? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #135

It's not the claim...it's the noise trying to drown out and invalidate the poster's information. Lars39 Mar 2014 #139

It's a typical response with these people Oilwellian Mar 2014 #153

You mean the messenger that used "piece of shit" to describe the person who VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #180

when does asking for help begin with calling someone a "piece of shit"? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #179

And once again, the actual plight of his situation is glossed over. Lars39 Mar 2014 #187

the plight was not President Obama's fault...yet HE is called VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #192

And once again, zip about the actual substance of his post, which was his wife's health. Lars39 Mar 2014 #195

This is where I disagree. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #212

Writers aren't infallible when it comes to their loved ones' health and well being. Lars39 Mar 2014 #214

I personally feel that thread was over the top. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #224

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since it involves his wife. Rex Mar 2014 #228

I have been unable to afford anti-cancer drugs. Lars39 Mar 2014 #236

Agreed, Lars. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #241

I have hope, but fret about the time involved. Lars39 Mar 2014 #250

Jars39... you absolutely NAILED IT! bvar22 Mar 2014 #252

That last sentence is exactly right. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #301

There should be similar prices charged in other countries. Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #158

Yep, pricing disparity exists. Lars39 Mar 2014 #163

The drug company CAUSED the problem in the first place, pnwmom Mar 2014 #35

So you love insurance companies?? n-t Logical Mar 2014 #37

I fail to follow your logic. Are you suggesting pnwmom Mar 2014 #38

+1 JoePhilly Mar 2014 #53

I don't think he is wrong to be angry. Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #59

and then now that it turns out he was wrong....shouldn't he say so and VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #183

He wasn't wrong - she is uninsured for this treatment Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #259

Problem is, that wasn't said. eom. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #225

Pitt tried to lay the blame on Obama ultimatly. lumpy Mar 2014 #126

I believe he called Obama a used car salesman. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #152

excuse me...he called him a "piece of shit car salesman" to be correct. VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #184

Yes, there was the OP and this post that got hidden.. Cha Mar 2014 #297

Really? The morality police? polichick Mar 2014 #16

In relentless pursuit of thoughtcrime jsr Mar 2014 #29

No, this is getting silly. This is just a message board, folks. Too much melodrama! quinnox Mar 2014 #19

you got that right, too much melodrama. Whisp Mar 2014 #34

Why thank you. It took me a little bit of time to find the exact right image quinnox Mar 2014 #40

It worked for sure. Agschmid Mar 2014 #48

LOL Oilwellian Mar 2014 #159

I was just thinking this as your post scrolled by. deutsey Mar 2014 #314

I would rather read a shit-stirring rant written in fear and anger than to read all this cutesy Lars39 Mar 2014 #22

Truth. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #302

In real life you totally should - on the internet - Never! el_bryanto Mar 2014 #24

I guess Pit shoudn't have to appologize for revealing what he really thinks of Obama. lumpy Mar 2014 #143

And you shouldn't have to apologize for calling him out - remember, apology is weakness. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #144

This is a call out. It's not clever. 1000words Mar 2014 #25

Yes, probably. So when are you going to do so? tkmorris Mar 2014 #26

Not gonna happen. It was about the attention fix Whisp Mar 2014 #27

The eggs seem to be scrambled. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #28

LOL....Thanks. bvar22 Mar 2014 #248

Not this authoritarian garbage again. woo me with science Mar 2014 #30

If you think common decency and integrity is authoritarian, maybe you should fried eggs Mar 2014 #42

And calling out somebody like this is not "sleezy?" polichick Mar 2014 #46

I didn't call anyone out, but if the shoe happens to fit then fried eggs Mar 2014 #51

It is a call-out because every one in this thread knows *exactly* to whom you are referring. Lars39 Mar 2014 #58

If there are posters here who did what my OP describes, fried eggs Mar 2014 #64

Now where have I seen this strategy before? Lars39 Mar 2014 #67

I don't know. I don't live on DU fried eggs Mar 2014 #75

It is a right wing strategy. Lars39 Mar 2014 #77

Oh, I see fried eggs Mar 2014 #82

Ah, so you do remember who the OP is about. Lars39 Mar 2014 #86

The OP is a general question, which you have yet to answer fried eggs Mar 2014 #89

No, the OP was about WillPitt. Lars39 Mar 2014 #91

It can't be about Will Pitt Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #100

I guessed this was about our last epic loser troll - Pretzel Warrior. Rex Mar 2014 #104

As I keep trying to explain to your friend, it's general fried eggs Mar 2014 #113

I wonder how many socks PW had Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #125

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say yes. Rex Mar 2014 #129

And, the really fucked up thing is Union Scribe Mar 2014 #272

So obvious I overlooked it. Lars39 Mar 2014 #105

Its a good thing we have Capt. Obvious around! Rex Mar 2014 #121

Come out to play ... 1000words Mar 2014 #142

LOL! Rex Mar 2014 #147

You are lying. tkmorris Mar 2014 #175

It's really amusing to see what offends you vs. what doesn't fried eggs Mar 2014 #194

Who's offended? tkmorris Mar 2014 #213

Yup ... very telling. 1000words Mar 2014 #79

Funny you should say that. We have all seen this before Whisp Mar 2014 #132

"It's disgraceful and disruptive and childish." Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #136

Personal experience like that should be recompensed. Lars39 Mar 2014 #140

I think the 'slander' was intentional. You would think he would regret his words and apologize lumpy Mar 2014 #154

but but but.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #189

So you agree that Will Pitt should continue calling the President a "piece of shit"? brush Mar 2014 #223

I have no control of WillPitt, nor do I expect everyone to conform. Lars39 Mar 2014 #226

That's seems like a cop out brush Mar 2014 #229

Never been a fan of blind reverence. Lars39 Mar 2014 #239

Sorry you've had to deal with a similar situation . . . brush Mar 2014 #274

Good gawd a mighty, they'd have had you for lunch here a decade ago. Lars39 Mar 2014 #275

Meaning what? nt brush Mar 2014 #287

Let me get on the edge of my rocker... Lars39 Mar 2014 #291

I like that brush Mar 2014 #306

You fucking wear it. Your feigned innocence isn't very becoming. cui bono Mar 2014 #299

LOL. Your sig line absolutely cracks me up... Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #43

No shit. jsr Mar 2014 #45

Let's say I wrote a lengthy rant about how terrible Sanders was for voting for the Iraq war. jeff47 Mar 2014 #56

I find it quite creepy that you expect that I would demand an apology woo me with science Mar 2014 #65

So a rant based on error is just fine? jeff47 Mar 2014 #71

This is not that difficult, Jeff. woo me with science Mar 2014 #148

Even if it's lies? joshcryer Mar 2014 #161

So I should lie with impunity then. jeff47 Mar 2014 #217

So now the apology demanders have escalated to accusing Will of "indecent behavior" woo me with science Mar 2014 #238

No, that's only in your mind. jeff47 Mar 2014 #276

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Mar 2014 #316

This is Ann Coulter logic. joshcryer Mar 2014 #80

Well, that was smeary but cryptic. nt woo me with science Mar 2014 #155

Discussing human decency = authoritarian garbage. joshcryer Mar 2014 #76

Equating a lack of human decency woo me with science Mar 2014 #134

Are you using Ann Coulter quotes to fuck with me now? joshcryer Mar 2014 #156

Once again, labeling anger expressed at a politician, woo me with science Mar 2014 #177

Calling out indecency is not "creepy." joshcryer Mar 2014 #197

Well, let's see here: Whisp Mar 2014 #216

It's cute woo me with science Mar 2014 #247

not "JUST a politician" is it....its the "politician" that got him healthcare that wasn't VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #208

Hilarious. If that was the case, we'd need about a week of non stop apology from Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #33

+1. William769 Mar 2014 #44

...and also the supporters of the folks who openly scorned and insulted LGBT folks. Kurovski Mar 2014 #47

Thank you. n/t QC Mar 2014 #49

"A DUer who said 'gays have plenty of rights' is still here" Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #72

I'm still curious as to who got to make a sock puppet yet when caught got to stay. Rex Mar 2014 #107

Whoever it is must be bold Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #115

No, Will Pitt does NOT owe President Obama an apology. truebrit71 Mar 2014 #41

Who said anything about Will Pitt? Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #146

Oh.... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #172

The only thing I have got out of this is that Pitt hates Obama. Period. Don't need an apology lumpy Mar 2014 #167

Yawn... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #54

Please... greytdemocrat Mar 2014 #57

this is not necessary at all, sorry steve2470 Mar 2014 #60

It is difficult to do so. I have done so and find it quite difficult to do but yes, is the right thi uppityperson Mar 2014 #63

It's okay fried Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #66

btw, with all due respect, posting the dog raping thread in GD.... steve2470 Mar 2014 #69

If one person is denied the medicine necessary to keep her alive, QC Mar 2014 #70

Now, now Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #74

I don't see where that follows. It is illogical. joshcryer Mar 2014 #81

makes sense... G_j Mar 2014 #95

didn't this person also threaten Bobbolink ? did they ever apologize for that ? JI7 Mar 2014 #73

If you mean WP, yes and yes uppityperson Mar 2014 #88

I would imagine he had to apologize to get back into DU.. since his attack Cha Mar 2014 #293

The internet version of "loud talking". Solly Mack Mar 2014 #83

If that is indeed the ultimate goal... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #84

My name is "fried eggs." Nobody takes me seriously here fried eggs Mar 2014 #94

Your name ... 1000words Mar 2014 #101

That's one of many ways to rationalize petulant behavior... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #207

Yes Pretzel Warrior should apologize to the community for making a sockpuppet Rex Mar 2014 #85

Our friend Pretzi never even apologized for calling LGBT equality QC Mar 2014 #92

I've read about that, is that what he did? Rex Mar 2014 #98

That's what finally got him his first tombstone, QC Mar 2014 #128

Thanks for the elaboration, I knew he got shit canned at DU2 Rex Mar 2014 #151

But apparently keeps coming back like the no life having psychotic douche nozzle Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2014 #292

Maybe you took the wrong person seriously. pintobean Mar 2014 #93

Yes. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #96

Blatant call out. This thread should be hidden. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #99

No, but do you know what the word blatant means? fried eggs Mar 2014 #106

I do. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #110

I think tantrums are rarely effective. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #108

jury results: Whisp Mar 2014 #112

Pleasantly surprised. Thanks for posting fried eggs Mar 2014 #119

Well, now. This seems quite childish. On another subject, and much more importantly, Squinch Mar 2014 #114

Yes, but through the pharmaceutical company, not the insurance company. Lars39 Mar 2014 #118

I'm so glad to hear that. I hope it works out for her. Thanks for telling me. Squinch Mar 2014 #130

You're welcome! Lars39 Mar 2014 #133

These Pretzels are making me thristy. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #120

I get it now. I didn't at first. fried eggs Mar 2014 #149

if you call out another DUer in a sneaky way should you eat cali Mar 2014 #264

take it from me, you've just passed the point of no return WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #123

Happens here all the time... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #124

Your dishonesty about your motivation for this thread kills your credibility DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #137

Nothing in the question posed in my OP requires credibility; the answer, however, does fried eggs Mar 2014 #160

Your OP is ABOUT Will Ptt...we've established this. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #165

I'm just glad the OP is posting here again! Rex Mar 2014 #170

You have no clue of what you're talking about fried eggs Mar 2014 #178

Oh I see, you just don't post a lot. Rex Mar 2014 #190

Agreed. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #218

I truly wish you cared about your fellow DUers as much as you appear to care about a man ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #157

THIS ^^ BuelahWitch Mar 2014 #198

Buelah! How are you?! ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #263

I'm doing well, Screaming! BuelahWitch Mar 2014 #267

OH Guess What? He does..and so do I. But, that doesn't give mr.. Cha Mar 2014 #285

Yes it does. Because I've been there. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #307

No, doubling down and not admitting you were wrong is Cha Mar 2014 #309

I've been there too. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #315

Sometimes I don't get it. Wash. state Desk Jet Mar 2014 #164

you going to apologize for the dog rape thread ? nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #169

What's all this then? Rex Mar 2014 #171

he's calling out Will Pitt for his ACA thread nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #173

No, sorry, I mean the dog raping thread? Rex Mar 2014 #174

ok here you go steve2470 Mar 2014 #176

Ah yes that one! I didn't pay any attention to who the OP was! Rex Mar 2014 #181

I have the insatiable urge to read everything written on DU, but that one got quickly hidden. Lars39 Mar 2014 #191

you're a better man than I steve2470 Mar 2014 #193

I think some OPs are presented to keep us busy from Lars39 Mar 2014 #199

yea that one served no higher societal or moral good IMHO steve2470 Mar 2014 #200

That one was way past weird news. Lars39 Mar 2014 #205

Did I smear someone? Was the article untrue? fried eggs Mar 2014 #185

who wants to read about some mentally ill man raping a dog in GD ? steve2470 Mar 2014 #186

And then there are others who don't like to read unfair, hateful rants fried eggs Mar 2014 #188

And others ignore the gist of the rant, which was his wife's health predicament. Lars39 Mar 2014 #203

A supports organization B's blocking person C from company D MisterP Mar 2014 #196

It's the Internet! Get over it. valerief Mar 2014 #201

Journalists issue corrections. Orsino Mar 2014 #251

I believe that you already knew the answer. TNNurse Mar 2014 #202

I'm gonna need some time to come up with an answer. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #204

Just let it go meanit Mar 2014 #206

I think one should always pay beer and travel money if it is due. nt Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #209

You should indeed. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #210

Sorry but if this is in regard to William Pitt OP humbled_opinion Mar 2014 #215

Seriously? fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #220

Yes. In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #221

Only if you were wrong but some say he was right. dilby Mar 2014 #222

Apologize to a politician in order to be taken seriously? Are you joking? countryjake Mar 2014 #235

If I walk into a room and slap someone... fried eggs Mar 2014 #240

You've only been here a few yrs, so it's understandable... countryjake Mar 2014 #245

'I thought kindness was a liberal/progressive trait.' Rex Mar 2014 #246

Horrible analogy BuelahWitch Mar 2014 #269

I don't like apologies. They're like saying: "Oh come on, stop treating me badly for what I did" Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #237

it depends upon the manner apology is given. but I agree with you crimeariver1225 Mar 2014 #277

Yes. Often an apology is only a get-out-of-jail-free card for the "wrongdoer" and nothing more. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #280

I see what you mean. It's like Whisp Mar 2014 #290

I'm smelling pizza again. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #242

A very special pizza. QC Mar 2014 #254

Will Pitt seems to have completely unhinged this guy. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #311

I think people should probably get over their sanctimony Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #260

Yeah, "sanctimony" doesn't do it for me. "fuck you Obama from my heart and soul".. that Cha Mar 2014 #284

R#24 & K n/t UTUSN Mar 2014 #262

I always try to admit when I'm wrong... I also try to avoid calling people pieces of shit too penultimate Mar 2014 #266

Hypothetically speaking, I would lose a lot of respect for someone who didn't apologize. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #268

Here's another conundrum: if a sock puppet poses a question on etiquette... Marr Mar 2014 #289

lol nt grasswire Mar 2014 #303

Brilliant! badtoworse Mar 2014 #312

This reminds me of a line in the first Popeye movie... defacto7 Mar 2014 #296

The sequel was better Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #313

And sometimes it's better to just drop it and move on. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #308

Seriously? Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #310