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Lunacee_2013

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149. I now hate that book.

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:35 PM

Mar 2014

It's getting too close to reality for me. I read it several years age and thought it could never happen. That it was just a dark fantasy. A few weeks after I read the book, I heard about a case were a young girl was being investigated for murder after she gave birth to a still-born baby that was 3 months premature. Both she and her family said they had no idea she was even pregnant. I don't know how it ended, but just the thought that a woman could be jailed for having a miscarriage is horrible. WFT is wrong with these people? Hasn't she gone through enough? It's like the lives of women don't matter at all. Why don't we get to control what happens inside our own bodies? It's no one else's decision to make. No ones! What is so goddamn hard to understand about that?!

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Terrifying Precedent: Woman to Be Tried for Murder for Giving Birth to Stillborn When She Was 16 [View all] kpete Mar 2014 OP

At this rate we'll all be in burqas by 2050. Squinch Mar 2014 #1

Think what a Teabigot administration would do with health records. They'd go back and find every freshwest Mar 2014 #41

I totally agree. And don't look now, but now you can add any woman who delivered a stillborn baby. Squinch Mar 2014 #43

Have you ever read cindge Mar 2014 #47

Yes. One of my favorites, along with all of Margaret Atwood's other books. Squinch Mar 2014 #49

Ooh, now I've got to look for her other books. cindge Mar 2014 #66

Oh, you have to read her other books. Cat's Eye is good. Also Alias Grace, Bluebeard's Ghost. Squinch Mar 2014 #110

I now hate that book. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #149

You & Squinch tea and oranges Mar 2014 #51

They'd have to destroy the Constitution to do it jmowreader Mar 2014 #148

They fully intend to destroy the Constiution. Ryan has promised that with a majority of RED states, freshwest Mar 2014 #150

I think they could rationalize doing so demigoddess Mar 2014 #178

Have to keep xxqqqzme Mar 2014 #116

Yep. jsr Mar 2014 #130

That's what they want get the red out Mar 2014 #133

This framing: "the rights of the unborn child" redqueen Mar 2014 #2

Bible says its not human until it takes its 1st breath. ErikJ Mar 2014 #6

And not only that, the christening is 30 days after the birth, assuming it survives that long. RC Mar 2014 #13

My greatgrand mother gave birth to six children. Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #23

What, in Hebrew tradition? ErikJ Mar 2014 #97

Jews don't get christened (n/t) leftynyc Mar 2014 #102

That was/is their tradition. RC Mar 2014 #111

Jews do not get christened nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #124

But its law to have a name at birth ErikJ Mar 2014 #131

That is secular law nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #132

Which law is that please? nt. Mariana Mar 2014 #142

The Birth Certificate Law ErikJ Mar 2014 #143

i never heard that where and in which bible - not trying to start a fight just want to read that leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #24

It says it in a few places-heres' 2 ErikJ Mar 2014 #42

The bible also says that the punishment for murder is death and the punishment for inducing LeftyMom Mar 2014 #56

The bible had no problem with abortion, neither did Jesus Warpy Mar 2014 #61

Which Pope? ErikJ Mar 2014 #93

Pope Sixtus in 1588 Warpy Mar 2014 #96

Here's the Wikipedia entry ErikJ Mar 2014 #99

Pope Sixtus was infallible. So we must accept his decree. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #100

Genesis 2:7 ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #92

That sounds like a comic book story snooper2 Mar 2014 #117

thankyou leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #104

This. LeftOfWest Mar 2014 #12

This is outrageous. Damn. bettyellen Mar 2014 #3

The writing was on the wall when they started jailing women for falling down stairs while pregnant. redqueen Mar 2014 #4

Sing it, sister. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #8

Absolutely!!! theHandpuppet Mar 2014 #86

You're giving Neanderthals a bad rap there. geardaddy Mar 2014 #134

Holy shit! Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #152

omg, don't know what to say... Whisp Mar 2014 #5

Anyone who doesn't take women's rights seriously needs to wake the fuck up. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #7

+1,000,000 theHandpuppet Mar 2014 #87

and of course she is black JI7 Mar 2014 #9

African Americans and other minorities are usually where overreachers dip a toe in the water. JoeyT Mar 2014 #20

Oh, exactly. First they enact draconian decisions against people who 1) are Nay Mar 2014 #22

Black women can't fire a warning shot in Florida. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #101

And sadly sheshe2 Mar 2014 #10

Yes. Deny them healthcare and then arrest them for not caring for the fetus. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2014 #113

Coroners are elected officials in Mississippi who do not require a medical degree. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #11

Seriously ...? etherealtruth Mar 2014 #15

No, no, no, that was a *miracle*, you see. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #17

OMG etherealtruth Mar 2014 #19

I. Had. No. Idea. CrispyQ Mar 2014 #26

MISSISSIPPI .. hate to say it but when I hear anything that comes out of that State > YOHABLO Mar 2014 #48

Hence the saying "Thank God for Mississippi!" KamaAina Mar 2014 #126

Why did you post this? JJChambers Mar 2014 #106

What's sad is all of these MEN would agree that life begins at 50. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #14

Just now going to trial? WTH? blackspade Mar 2014 #16

I think women need to get on some heavy-duty birth control as Ilsa Mar 2014 #18

This will lead to... dbackjon Mar 2014 #21

And this is why progressives fight to access to birth control.... Swede Atlanta Mar 2014 #25

There were no traces of cocaine in her system Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #32

Right On! tea and oranges Mar 2014 #50

Motivation? Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #53

Fuckin wow! Not even cocaine! uponit7771 Mar 2014 #58

And can this "byproduct" be replicated by otherwise legal or prescribed substances - haele Mar 2014 #118

It might not even be from an OTC medication or "herbal supplement". Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #121

This is government overreach, even with prenatal care problems still occurs. I would wonder in this Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #27

Why a Wisconsin woman was jailed: freshwest Mar 2014 #85

This should be a post on its own. knitter4democracy Mar 2014 #91

I'm too angry and nauseated to say anything in this thread.... BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #114

The discredited QUACK Steven Hayne testimony? Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #28

Something really doesn't add up here, the prosecutor's case to be exact. ck4829 Mar 2014 #29

She was only 15 sunnystarr Mar 2014 #123

Another country tooeyeten Mar 2014 #30

Mississippi. Or are you trying to make a joke? yardwork Mar 2014 #38

Not a joke tooeyeten Mar 2014 #62

This shit is ridiculous TxDemChem Mar 2014 #31

My son is alive only because they caught this while he was being born. Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #33

This ruling is stupid. Period. Maedhros Mar 2014 #34

I think your question is valid, but perhaps unanswerable. cindge Mar 2014 #52

No question the solution to the problems you described is education and access Maedhros Mar 2014 #71

Never. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #54

Never. ... Education about pre-natal care is a much better tactic than prosecution. Arugula Latte Mar 2014 #120

It had to be Mississippi. loudsue Mar 2014 #35

I agree with her being charged, just not what they are charging her with. Lancero Mar 2014 #36

Charged for using drugs while pregnant?????????? mrmpa Mar 2014 #39

cause of death was also the most obvious: the umbilical cord wrapped around her neck. pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #44

Which, if you actually read my post... Lancero Mar 2014 #79

Really? 16year old kid? Same for rich white girls who pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #82

Oh, fuck that sideways. n/t ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #95

Get lost. morningfog Mar 2014 #105

wtf??!! She may not even have known she was pregnant! Irregular periods are a common teen riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #45

There were no drugs found in her system uponit7771 Mar 2014 #59

How would that improve her circumstances? LeftyMom Mar 2014 #60

Women often have no idea that they are pregnant until weeks or even a couple of months tblue37 Mar 2014 #63

That justify's her using illegal drugs (cocaine) how? Lancero Mar 2014 #64

That's not how apostrophes work. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #68

That relates to this topic how? Lancero Mar 2014 #70

I asked you a question upthread and you didn't answer. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #72

Because your question was already answered. Lancero Mar 2014 #75

So we can add teenagers, drug abuse and addiction to the list of things you don't understand. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #76

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #77

LOL blueamy66 Mar 2014 #167

"...you seem more of a Righty then a Lefty." nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #98

He has also bought into the RW meme... freebrew Mar 2014 #115

Cocaine is addictive. Lucky Luciano Mar 2014 #140

So many nights staying up past dawn, half-hoping there's none left and half-hoping there is... nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #156

No, it's not. freebrew Mar 2014 #165

I agree no one should go to jail for using drugs. But cocaine is certainly addictive even if nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #155

Wow pipi_k Mar 2014 #74

Most are insecure and want to sound important. n-t Logical Mar 2014 #146

What a stupid response to a post. You grammar police must be insecure as hell. n-t Logical Mar 2014 #145

You were not arguing about punishing drug users--but if you were, tblue37 Mar 2014 #69

I was arguing that her being charged with murder for a natural... Lancero Mar 2014 #73

There were no drugs in her system, and "cocaine byproducts" in the fetus could mean tblue37 Mar 2014 #78

As I've said... Lancero Mar 2014 #80

But sincea woman might have no idea that she is pregnant, how on earth could she tblue37 Mar 2014 #81

A drunk driver might have no idea they are going to wreck... Lancero Mar 2014 #84

"Ignorance of circumstance isn't a excuse. " Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #108

That isn't parallel gollygee Mar 2014 #109

Ignorance about how medicine and law are practiced Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #153

WTF does that have to do with the issue at hand? Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #151

Sounds like the doctor should be prosecuted for murder Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #65

The question is valid, how? Lancero Mar 2014 #67

Aside from your desire to reduce women to incubators.... jeff47 Mar 2014 #128

On the SIDS back to sleep azurnoir Mar 2014 #136

Burkas soon if the GOP gets its way. blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #37

Fuck pro-birthers obxhead Mar 2014 #40

I think for a lot of them that's already the case. Hence why they're usually such balls of sunshine. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #157

With all due respect to Mississippians, but Mississippi is one truly f'd up place!!! nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #46

Nina Simone - Mississippi Goddam pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #88

I like that. And let's not forget yes, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, etc. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #89

This is fucking insane Warpy Mar 2014 #55

Such evil from the persecution .. uponit7771 Mar 2014 #57

Damn. Here's a kick. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #83

That horse already left the barn lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #90

The fetus was far past Row v. Wade viability. joshcryer Mar 2014 #94

Very true davidpdx Mar 2014 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #103

Most pro-lifers are misogynists. Mariana Mar 2014 #119

All pro-lifers are misogynists. Pro-lifers think women should not have the right to bodily integrity redqueen Mar 2014 #122

This ^ PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #125

+1000, redqueen catbyte Mar 2014 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #159

Anti-choice is a misogynistic position. Always. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #127

you mean forced birther fizzgig Mar 2014 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #160

The solution to "these problems" is.... blueamy66 Mar 2014 #168

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #170

you don't want women to have reproductive autonomy fizzgig Mar 2014 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #171

LOL. that's because anti-choicers are misogynists. its not a misconception. nt La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #161

taking a healthcare choice away from women is a misogynistic stance REGARDLESS La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #172

I do not equate a living breathing human with a zygote whereas you so. uppityperson Mar 2014 #179

"Pro-lifer"? Fine. I just hope no women bleed to death in an alleyway thanks to your "advocacy." nt nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #158

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #162

Because that's the sort of thing that happens when abortion is outlawed. Just saying. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #163

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #173

Because when abortion is illegal, women who desperately don't want to be pregnant will still nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #175

Looks like there is not going to be proof even that the treestar Mar 2014 #107

Didn't believe that this crap goes on....buy yep it's true - are we on the same planet????? burfman Mar 2014 #129

I cannot believe this will stand up in the courts lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #177

At what point... NCTraveler Mar 2014 #135

Traces of a cocaine byproduct as cause of death seems a stretch azurnoir Mar 2014 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #174

much too familiar kpete Mar 2014 #144

hey weissmam Mar 2014 #147

Hell, drag Rick Sanctorum and his wife in front of one for her late term abortion to save her life. freshwest Mar 2014 #154

I wonder if it will ever come to a point that yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #164

Lest not forget the Seven Mountain Dominionist Movement... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #176