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260. I think people should probably get over their sanctimony

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:11 PM

Mar 2014

one can understand the frustration involved; the ACA is a pretty bad deal in reality; the fact that it's better than nothing doesn't mean a lot of people aren't getting screwed over one way or another just as badly as they were under the previous private insurance regime. The ACA was the result of a lot of political dealing and the law as it stands is the creation of Congress and (in part) the insurance company lobbyists who did their damnedest to make sure that nothing approaching a serious public option was considered, but Obama has to own some of the responsibility there; if he's going to take the credit for the successes of the ACA that means he has to own responsibility for the failures as well. (And sorry, but "used car salesman" may be harsh, but not inaccurate when things went from "any bill I sign must include a public option" to "the public option isn't that important".)

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If you unfairly, wrongly and very publicly attack someone, shouldn't you apologize? [View all] fried eggs Mar 2014 OP

Absolutely. nt arthritisR_US Mar 2014 #1

Anything specific? Just a general thought? nt. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #2

Just thinking out loud. fried eggs Mar 2014 #4

Just a hunch question everything Mar 2014 #286

Out of at least self-respect, yes. Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #3

Gee, I have no idea who you're talking about! I certainly wouldn't call this thread a call-out joeybee12 Mar 2014 #5

Who have I called out? Did someone here do that? fried eggs Mar 2014 #9

... Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #78

You've got that right n/t Aerows Mar 2014 #122

HAHA, bingo! nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #300

Oh come on now. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2014 #282

It wasn't a call-out. It was a philosophical question. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #21

Chuck a rock ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #219

Meta went that away. Lars39 Mar 2014 #6

Once a fried egg always a fried egg ... MindMover Mar 2014 #7

Yes, one should apologize Cirque du So-What Mar 2014 #8

Poltroon? Wow! oldhippie Mar 2014 #52

Why don't you just say the shit you want to say and stop with the stupid analogy? nt Logical Mar 2014 #10

This. nt. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #13

I think I did. There are no analogies in my OP. fried eggs Mar 2014 #17

Are you smart enough to realize the drug company solved the issue, not the insurance company?? n-t Logical Mar 2014 #20

Are you smart enough to realize pnwmom Mar 2014 #31

You are so totally, totally wrong - here's the proof. Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #138

Excellent post n/t Oilwellian Mar 2014 #145

Nicely done. 1000words Mar 2014 #166

He called the President a "piece of shit" brush Mar 2014 #211

Once, I told my mother I hated her. 1000words Mar 2014 #227

There's a big difference brush Mar 2014 #231

I think you overestimate DU's audience ... 1000words Mar 2014 #234

Maybe so, but DU is online and potentially available to whoever is online nt brush Mar 2014 #273

I really hope you apologized fried eggs Mar 2014 #233

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono Mar 2014 #298

+1000 G_j Mar 2014 #168

He hadn't even bothered to check the 9 other insurers because he said it would be a waste of time. pnwmom Mar 2014 #230

You are wrong on several counts. Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #243

I have said before that the word insurance and health does not compute .... MindMover Mar 2014 #244

Should the ACA allow drug companies to price gouge? pnwmom Mar 2014 #255

Single payer, drugs purchased thru government run pharmacies .... MindMover Mar 2014 #256

Maybe so. There has to be something better than the current system pnwmom Mar 2014 #258

No, you're wrong. Will did NOT say he was limited to a silver ACA plan in NH. pnwmom Mar 2014 #253

Excellent post. nt Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #265

Well Done. bvar22 Mar 2014 #249

Just sick! Their motives for chopping are even more sickening! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2014 #283

Evidently not. Cha Mar 2014 #278

People should apologize for vicious attacks on others, but the fact that they engage in vicious sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #68

Which is why, IMO, a lot of people here owe the person we are not mentioning an apology. Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #162

I didn't abuse him. Look at his first OP. Even though he was spreading the lie pnwmom Mar 2014 #257

Were you directly involved? I was called applegrove Mar 2014 #261

They don't want to be reminded that the one who used the Prez as his personal whipping post.. Cha Mar 2014 #281

There is absolutely nothing wrong with generalizing a problem or a question cheapdate Mar 2014 #279

Yeah, a very public apology is in order jsr Mar 2014 #11

! progressoid Mar 2014 #62

How about a simple.... Sheepshank Mar 2014 #141

I once told a guy who worked for me he was wrong, that it was a stupid idea until I found out he hollysmom Mar 2014 #232

No. There will be no apology. that's not Cha Mar 2014 #294

Yes, just as soon as Obama signs up on DU Will should definitely apologize. Autumn Mar 2014 #12

+1000! n-t Logical Mar 2014 #15

Don't know what you're talking about fried eggs Mar 2014 #23

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #36

You Go, Girl! Feral Child Mar 2014 #90

That she did! Whisp Mar 2014 #116

~ sheshe2 Mar 2014 #288

What was your other DU name? morningfog Mar 2014 #270

You speak of integrity.... that's a laugh. cui bono Mar 2014 #304

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #61

Sounds like some pretzel logic to me. Rex Mar 2014 #87

I was wondering . . . Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #111

You were reading my mind Oilwellian Mar 2014 #150

If you leave them out a few days and let them harden cui bono Mar 2014 #305

Definitely a sock. morningfog Mar 2014 #271

Amazing your post got hidden Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #117

Why is that amazing? fried eggs Mar 2014 #182

Oh I think President Obama would like fried eggs just Fine. He's a good guy.. they both are. Cha Mar 2014 #295

Yes, but remember, it takes character to admit when you are wrong. FSogol Mar 2014 #14

How was he wrong when the Drug company solved the issue, not the insurance company??? nt Logical Mar 2014 #18

Did the ACA create the situation ... or did the ACA not resolve JoePhilly Mar 2014 #32

If the ACA can institute a way to appeal, it can sure as hell tinker with the sacred Formulary™, Lars39 Mar 2014 #39

Probably will at some point. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #50

Single payer with price controls on meds would have done wonders for his situation. Lars39 Mar 2014 #55

Nonsense. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #97

But meanwhile, hush up about anything that negatively affects your medical care. Lars39 Mar 2014 #102

Except I didn't say that. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #103

Yes, I am telling people that. Lars39 Mar 2014 #109

I acknowledged the ACA has problems above. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #127

Really? Lars39 Mar 2014 #131

Can you show me a post where some one claims the ACA has no issues? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #135

It's not the claim...it's the noise trying to drown out and invalidate the poster's information. Lars39 Mar 2014 #139

It's a typical response with these people Oilwellian Mar 2014 #153

You mean the messenger that used "piece of shit" to describe the person who VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #180

when does asking for help begin with calling someone a "piece of shit"? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #179

And once again, the actual plight of his situation is glossed over. Lars39 Mar 2014 #187

the plight was not President Obama's fault...yet HE is called VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #192

And once again, zip about the actual substance of his post, which was his wife's health. Lars39 Mar 2014 #195

This is where I disagree. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #212

Writers aren't infallible when it comes to their loved ones' health and well being. Lars39 Mar 2014 #214

I personally feel that thread was over the top. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #224

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since it involves his wife. Rex Mar 2014 #228

I have been unable to afford anti-cancer drugs. Lars39 Mar 2014 #236

Agreed, Lars. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #241

I have hope, but fret about the time involved. Lars39 Mar 2014 #250

Jars39... you absolutely NAILED IT! bvar22 Mar 2014 #252

That last sentence is exactly right. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #301

There should be similar prices charged in other countries. Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #158

Yep, pricing disparity exists. Lars39 Mar 2014 #163

The drug company CAUSED the problem in the first place, pnwmom Mar 2014 #35

So you love insurance companies?? n-t Logical Mar 2014 #37

I fail to follow your logic. Are you suggesting pnwmom Mar 2014 #38

+1 JoePhilly Mar 2014 #53

I don't think he is wrong to be angry. Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #59

and then now that it turns out he was wrong....shouldn't he say so and VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #183

He wasn't wrong - she is uninsured for this treatment Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #259

Problem is, that wasn't said. eom. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #225

Pitt tried to lay the blame on Obama ultimatly. lumpy Mar 2014 #126

I believe he called Obama a used car salesman. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #152

excuse me...he called him a "piece of shit car salesman" to be correct. VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #184

Yes, there was the OP and this post that got hidden.. Cha Mar 2014 #297

Really? The morality police? polichick Mar 2014 #16

In relentless pursuit of thoughtcrime jsr Mar 2014 #29

No, this is getting silly. This is just a message board, folks. Too much melodrama! quinnox Mar 2014 #19

you got that right, too much melodrama. Whisp Mar 2014 #34

Why thank you. It took me a little bit of time to find the exact right image quinnox Mar 2014 #40

It worked for sure. Agschmid Mar 2014 #48

LOL Oilwellian Mar 2014 #159

I was just thinking this as your post scrolled by. deutsey Mar 2014 #314

I would rather read a shit-stirring rant written in fear and anger than to read all this cutesy Lars39 Mar 2014 #22

Truth. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #302

In real life you totally should - on the internet - Never! el_bryanto Mar 2014 #24

I guess Pit shoudn't have to appologize for revealing what he really thinks of Obama. lumpy Mar 2014 #143

And you shouldn't have to apologize for calling him out - remember, apology is weakness. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #144

This is a call out. It's not clever. 1000words Mar 2014 #25

Yes, probably. So when are you going to do so? tkmorris Mar 2014 #26

Not gonna happen. It was about the attention fix Whisp Mar 2014 #27

The eggs seem to be scrambled. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #28

LOL....Thanks. bvar22 Mar 2014 #248

Not this authoritarian garbage again. woo me with science Mar 2014 #30

If you think common decency and integrity is authoritarian, maybe you should fried eggs Mar 2014 #42

And calling out somebody like this is not "sleezy?" polichick Mar 2014 #46

I didn't call anyone out, but if the shoe happens to fit then fried eggs Mar 2014 #51

It is a call-out because every one in this thread knows *exactly* to whom you are referring. Lars39 Mar 2014 #58

If there are posters here who did what my OP describes, fried eggs Mar 2014 #64

Now where have I seen this strategy before? Lars39 Mar 2014 #67

I don't know. I don't live on DU fried eggs Mar 2014 #75

It is a right wing strategy. Lars39 Mar 2014 #77

Oh, I see fried eggs Mar 2014 #82

Ah, so you do remember who the OP is about. Lars39 Mar 2014 #86

The OP is a general question, which you have yet to answer fried eggs Mar 2014 #89

No, the OP was about WillPitt. Lars39 Mar 2014 #91

It can't be about Will Pitt Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #100

I guessed this was about our last epic loser troll - Pretzel Warrior. Rex Mar 2014 #104

As I keep trying to explain to your friend, it's general fried eggs Mar 2014 #113

I wonder how many socks PW had Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #125

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say yes. Rex Mar 2014 #129

And, the really fucked up thing is Union Scribe Mar 2014 #272

So obvious I overlooked it. Lars39 Mar 2014 #105

Its a good thing we have Capt. Obvious around! Rex Mar 2014 #121

Come out to play ... 1000words Mar 2014 #142

LOL! Rex Mar 2014 #147

You are lying. tkmorris Mar 2014 #175

It's really amusing to see what offends you vs. what doesn't fried eggs Mar 2014 #194

Who's offended? tkmorris Mar 2014 #213

Yup ... very telling. 1000words Mar 2014 #79

Funny you should say that. We have all seen this before Whisp Mar 2014 #132

"It's disgraceful and disruptive and childish." Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #136

Personal experience like that should be recompensed. Lars39 Mar 2014 #140

I think the 'slander' was intentional. You would think he would regret his words and apologize lumpy Mar 2014 #154

but but but.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #189

So you agree that Will Pitt should continue calling the President a "piece of shit"? brush Mar 2014 #223

I have no control of WillPitt, nor do I expect everyone to conform. Lars39 Mar 2014 #226

That's seems like a cop out brush Mar 2014 #229

Never been a fan of blind reverence. Lars39 Mar 2014 #239

Sorry you've had to deal with a similar situation . . . brush Mar 2014 #274

Good gawd a mighty, they'd have had you for lunch here a decade ago. Lars39 Mar 2014 #275

Meaning what? nt brush Mar 2014 #287

Let me get on the edge of my rocker... Lars39 Mar 2014 #291

I like that brush Mar 2014 #306

You fucking wear it. Your feigned innocence isn't very becoming. cui bono Mar 2014 #299

LOL. Your sig line absolutely cracks me up... Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #43

No shit. jsr Mar 2014 #45

Let's say I wrote a lengthy rant about how terrible Sanders was for voting for the Iraq war. jeff47 Mar 2014 #56

I find it quite creepy that you expect that I would demand an apology woo me with science Mar 2014 #65

So a rant based on error is just fine? jeff47 Mar 2014 #71

This is not that difficult, Jeff. woo me with science Mar 2014 #148

Even if it's lies? joshcryer Mar 2014 #161

So I should lie with impunity then. jeff47 Mar 2014 #217

So now the apology demanders have escalated to accusing Will of "indecent behavior" woo me with science Mar 2014 #238

No, that's only in your mind. jeff47 Mar 2014 #276

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Mar 2014 #316

This is Ann Coulter logic. joshcryer Mar 2014 #80

Well, that was smeary but cryptic. nt woo me with science Mar 2014 #155

Discussing human decency = authoritarian garbage. joshcryer Mar 2014 #76

Equating a lack of human decency woo me with science Mar 2014 #134

Are you using Ann Coulter quotes to fuck with me now? joshcryer Mar 2014 #156

Once again, labeling anger expressed at a politician, woo me with science Mar 2014 #177

Calling out indecency is not "creepy." joshcryer Mar 2014 #197

Well, let's see here: Whisp Mar 2014 #216

It's cute woo me with science Mar 2014 #247

not "JUST a politician" is it....its the "politician" that got him healthcare that wasn't VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #208

Hilarious. If that was the case, we'd need about a week of non stop apology from Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #33

+1. William769 Mar 2014 #44

...and also the supporters of the folks who openly scorned and insulted LGBT folks. Kurovski Mar 2014 #47

Thank you. n/t QC Mar 2014 #49

"A DUer who said 'gays have plenty of rights' is still here" Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #72

I'm still curious as to who got to make a sock puppet yet when caught got to stay. Rex Mar 2014 #107

Whoever it is must be bold Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #115

No, Will Pitt does NOT owe President Obama an apology. truebrit71 Mar 2014 #41

Who said anything about Will Pitt? Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #146

Oh.... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #172

The only thing I have got out of this is that Pitt hates Obama. Period. Don't need an apology lumpy Mar 2014 #167

Yawn... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #54

Please... greytdemocrat Mar 2014 #57

this is not necessary at all, sorry steve2470 Mar 2014 #60

It is difficult to do so. I have done so and find it quite difficult to do but yes, is the right thi uppityperson Mar 2014 #63

It's okay fried Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #66

btw, with all due respect, posting the dog raping thread in GD.... steve2470 Mar 2014 #69

If one person is denied the medicine necessary to keep her alive, QC Mar 2014 #70

Now, now Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #74

I don't see where that follows. It is illogical. joshcryer Mar 2014 #81

makes sense... G_j Mar 2014 #95

didn't this person also threaten Bobbolink ? did they ever apologize for that ? JI7 Mar 2014 #73

If you mean WP, yes and yes uppityperson Mar 2014 #88

I would imagine he had to apologize to get back into DU.. since his attack Cha Mar 2014 #293

The internet version of "loud talking". Solly Mack Mar 2014 #83

If that is indeed the ultimate goal... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #84

My name is "fried eggs." Nobody takes me seriously here fried eggs Mar 2014 #94

Your name ... 1000words Mar 2014 #101

That's one of many ways to rationalize petulant behavior... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #207

Yes Pretzel Warrior should apologize to the community for making a sockpuppet Rex Mar 2014 #85

Our friend Pretzi never even apologized for calling LGBT equality QC Mar 2014 #92

I've read about that, is that what he did? Rex Mar 2014 #98

That's what finally got him his first tombstone, QC Mar 2014 #128

Thanks for the elaboration, I knew he got shit canned at DU2 Rex Mar 2014 #151

But apparently keeps coming back like the no life having psychotic douche nozzle Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2014 #292

Maybe you took the wrong person seriously. pintobean Mar 2014 #93

Yes. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #96

Blatant call out. This thread should be hidden. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #99

No, but do you know what the word blatant means? fried eggs Mar 2014 #106

I do. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #110

I think tantrums are rarely effective. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #108

jury results: Whisp Mar 2014 #112

Pleasantly surprised. Thanks for posting fried eggs Mar 2014 #119

Well, now. This seems quite childish. On another subject, and much more importantly, Squinch Mar 2014 #114

Yes, but through the pharmaceutical company, not the insurance company. Lars39 Mar 2014 #118

I'm so glad to hear that. I hope it works out for her. Thanks for telling me. Squinch Mar 2014 #130

You're welcome! Lars39 Mar 2014 #133

These Pretzels are making me thristy. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #120

I get it now. I didn't at first. fried eggs Mar 2014 #149

if you call out another DUer in a sneaky way should you eat cali Mar 2014 #264

take it from me, you've just passed the point of no return WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #123

Happens here all the time... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #124

Your dishonesty about your motivation for this thread kills your credibility DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #137

Nothing in the question posed in my OP requires credibility; the answer, however, does fried eggs Mar 2014 #160

Your OP is ABOUT Will Ptt...we've established this. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #165

I'm just glad the OP is posting here again! Rex Mar 2014 #170

You have no clue of what you're talking about fried eggs Mar 2014 #178

Oh I see, you just don't post a lot. Rex Mar 2014 #190

Agreed. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #218

I truly wish you cared about your fellow DUers as much as you appear to care about a man ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #157

THIS ^^ BuelahWitch Mar 2014 #198

Buelah! How are you?! ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #263

I'm doing well, Screaming! BuelahWitch Mar 2014 #267

OH Guess What? He does..and so do I. But, that doesn't give mr.. Cha Mar 2014 #285

Yes it does. Because I've been there. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #307

No, doubling down and not admitting you were wrong is Cha Mar 2014 #309

I've been there too. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #315

Sometimes I don't get it. Wash. state Desk Jet Mar 2014 #164

you going to apologize for the dog rape thread ? nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #169

What's all this then? Rex Mar 2014 #171

he's calling out Will Pitt for his ACA thread nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #173

No, sorry, I mean the dog raping thread? Rex Mar 2014 #174

ok here you go steve2470 Mar 2014 #176

Ah yes that one! I didn't pay any attention to who the OP was! Rex Mar 2014 #181

I have the insatiable urge to read everything written on DU, but that one got quickly hidden. Lars39 Mar 2014 #191

you're a better man than I steve2470 Mar 2014 #193

I think some OPs are presented to keep us busy from Lars39 Mar 2014 #199

yea that one served no higher societal or moral good IMHO steve2470 Mar 2014 #200

That one was way past weird news. Lars39 Mar 2014 #205

Did I smear someone? Was the article untrue? fried eggs Mar 2014 #185

who wants to read about some mentally ill man raping a dog in GD ? steve2470 Mar 2014 #186

And then there are others who don't like to read unfair, hateful rants fried eggs Mar 2014 #188

And others ignore the gist of the rant, which was his wife's health predicament. Lars39 Mar 2014 #203

A supports organization B's blocking person C from company D MisterP Mar 2014 #196

It's the Internet! Get over it. valerief Mar 2014 #201

Journalists issue corrections. Orsino Mar 2014 #251

I believe that you already knew the answer. TNNurse Mar 2014 #202

I'm gonna need some time to come up with an answer. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #204

Just let it go meanit Mar 2014 #206

I think one should always pay beer and travel money if it is due. nt Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #209

You should indeed. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #210

Sorry but if this is in regard to William Pitt OP humbled_opinion Mar 2014 #215

Seriously? fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #220

Yes. In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #221

Only if you were wrong but some say he was right. dilby Mar 2014 #222

Apologize to a politician in order to be taken seriously? Are you joking? countryjake Mar 2014 #235

If I walk into a room and slap someone... fried eggs Mar 2014 #240

You've only been here a few yrs, so it's understandable... countryjake Mar 2014 #245

'I thought kindness was a liberal/progressive trait.' Rex Mar 2014 #246

Horrible analogy BuelahWitch Mar 2014 #269

I don't like apologies. They're like saying: "Oh come on, stop treating me badly for what I did" Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #237

it depends upon the manner apology is given. but I agree with you crimeariver1225 Mar 2014 #277

Yes. Often an apology is only a get-out-of-jail-free card for the "wrongdoer" and nothing more. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #280

I see what you mean. It's like Whisp Mar 2014 #290

I'm smelling pizza again. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #242

A very special pizza. QC Mar 2014 #254

Will Pitt seems to have completely unhinged this guy. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #311

I think people should probably get over their sanctimony Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #260

Yeah, "sanctimony" doesn't do it for me. "fuck you Obama from my heart and soul".. that Cha Mar 2014 #284

R#24 & K n/t UTUSN Mar 2014 #262

I always try to admit when I'm wrong... I also try to avoid calling people pieces of shit too penultimate Mar 2014 #266

Hypothetically speaking, I would lose a lot of respect for someone who didn't apologize. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #268

Here's another conundrum: if a sock puppet poses a question on etiquette... Marr Mar 2014 #289

lol nt grasswire Mar 2014 #303

Brilliant! badtoworse Mar 2014 #312

This reminds me of a line in the first Popeye movie... defacto7 Mar 2014 #296

The sequel was better Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #313

And sometimes it's better to just drop it and move on. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #308

Seriously? Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #310