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WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
48. Let's play with real numbers, not yours
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:52 PM
Mar 2014

This is part of Moulitsases reply to the attack:

Who cares if seven of the 10 were replaced with Republicans? Ten years ago, Democrats had 49 members in the Senate. Today they have 53 plus Bernie Sanders and Angus King. And even if they lose the Senate this year, which they won't, it won't be much more than a rental as 2016 is a stellar map for us (up to 10 potential pickups).

So is it better to have Ben Nelson, Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller in a 49-seat minority, or is it better to replace them with better Democrats in a 55-seat Democratic majority? Only morons would argue for the former, but apparently, that's what Third Way wants to be.


I understand your predicament and sympathize. I've only lived in the deepest blue cities in the country (SF and Chicago), so my shit don't stink And, despite rushing to Moulitsas's defense, I have no problem voting for a Third Way candidate when the alternative is a Republican. Your initial comment really pissed me off, tabby. I hope you've walked it back some. It seems that way to me.

Green, Moulitsas et. al. have a very important place in our conversation. I don't always agree with them but I'm glad they say what they do. People have completely forgotten what liberal principles are. They confuse voting Democratic with being liberal. Capisce?

In any event, I wish you all the best, my friend. Keep fighting the good fight.

Marc

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Kos Folds Up the Big Tent [View all] Beacool Mar 2014 OP
Kos indicates he'll rebut that piece at Politico. Until then: ProSense Mar 2014 #1
Who cares if seven of the 10 were replaced with Republicans? Beacool Mar 2014 #4
No shit! I care, too. calimary Mar 2014 #7
To relieve the President of his duties takes three quarters of the Senate. Bandit Mar 2014 #15
THIS Senate wouldn't - because there's a Democratic majority. calimary Mar 2014 #52
"Were," and ProSense Mar 2014 #10
Thank you tabbycat31 Mar 2014 #13
You're correct, but we'll see if they learn their lesson (both sides). Beacool Mar 2014 #22
Great post. Number23 Mar 2014 #37
You and Rahm Emanuel alike WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #41
The Dems took back the house on his watch tabbycat31 Mar 2014 #42
Look WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #45
Ok answer this tabbycat31 Mar 2014 #47
Let's play with real numbers, not yours WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #48
So you are willing to promote anti gay views for a fee and that's supposed to be Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #66
Thank you for the reality check. Beacool Mar 2014 #60
Thanks for posting. n/t amandabeech Mar 2014 #49
Pretending a Blue Dog is a Democrat is also asinine. djean111 Mar 2014 #2
Do they caucus with the Democrats? nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #3
Yes, let's throw them out so that they can be replaced by Republicans. Beacool Mar 2014 #8
The poster is using the "All or Nothing" tactic. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #16
It's not a productive way of participating in politics. Beacool Mar 2014 #23
She's not my #1 Dem candidate, Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #46
And this is why there is no ENTHUSIASM - the deck is stacked so that even if the Dems djean111 Mar 2014 #55
OK, then explain someone like John Lewis in GA Glitterati Mar 2014 #17
he is in a Blue district, just like DArrell Issa gets elected in solid blue California JI7 Mar 2014 #19
Easy, his district is D+31, has had 1 Republican rep since the Civil War, and is majority African okaawhatever Mar 2014 #51
Sigh. This is still wrong. Recursion Mar 2014 #54
yeah i'll believe what Politico says about Kos when pigs fly CreekDog Mar 2014 #5
+1000. Charlie Pierce nails them : "Tiger Beat on the Potomac"! bullwinkle428 Mar 2014 #9
That's giving "Tiger Beat" a bad name that it doesn't deserve. amandabeech Mar 2014 #50
so is he supporting their primary opponents ? and who are the primary opponents ? JI7 Mar 2014 #6
Exactly!! Beacool Mar 2014 #12
Wow, that's quite a flip flop for Kos, former Republican who was KNOWN for hating liberals, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #11
BINGO ... and later, political winds change .... MindMover Mar 2014 #28
Ratfucking. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #31
Hmm, I think I'm going to rec this. Whisp Mar 2014 #14
Wow, knock me with a feather. Beacool Mar 2014 #27
I know! must be the 18 beer I just had. Whisp Mar 2014 #29
Maybe.......... Beacool Mar 2014 #30
well, yeah, when dems lose, they are succeed by the republicans who dealt that loss. mopinko Mar 2014 #18
Maybe so, but that's 2 years away. Beacool Mar 2014 #24
without a doubt. without a tiny doubt. mopinko Mar 2014 #38
Idiots like him will cost us the Senate 4now Mar 2014 #20
That's my fear, losing the Senate. Beacool Mar 2014 #25
WE don't lose Blue Dog senators. LuvLoogie Mar 2014 #32
No, they will lose because Obama and the ACA are not popular in their states. Beacool Mar 2014 #33
Kos has responded, would you please put his response into your OP CreekDog Mar 2014 #35
I added his response last night. Beacool Mar 2014 #61
thanks! CreekDog Mar 2014 #63
No problem...... Beacool Mar 2014 #65
Because Pryor never made the argument LuvLoogie Mar 2014 #36
Another swing and a miss by Politico. Orsino Mar 2014 #21
As much as I hate to admit it, Mr. Goldwater might have had a point. Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #26
Indeed. n/t Aerows Mar 2014 #44
The notion that a liberal/progressive can win in a Rethug leaning district is simply ignorant... DCBob Mar 2014 #34
That is EXACTLY the thinking that got us the blue dogs in the first place BlueStreak Mar 2014 #53
Politico(R). Dawson Leery Mar 2014 #39
Didn't he cop to be CIA? WhiteTara Mar 2014 #40
A lot of people in the Democratic party Aerows Mar 2014 #43
I don't particularly like bluedogs, but they are a necessary evil davidpdx Mar 2014 #56
Moulitsas hasn't changed his views. idendoit Mar 2014 #57
No need to read what Moulsitsas actually said in his blog post when you can Chathamization Mar 2014 #58
"Who cares is seven of the ten were replaced by Republicans" damns him out of his own mouth. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #59
So let's keep 7 people that vote like republicans... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #70
Yeeeeaaa - Arkansas is going to elect a liberal, right JPZenger Mar 2014 #62
The depressing fact is that in AR and the rest of the states where the Blue Dogs are in danger, Beacool Mar 2014 #64
It's easy for you to say 'Big Tent' but what you are asking of others is to support bigots Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #67
OK, then. Let the chips fall where they may. Beacool Mar 2014 #68
If we lose the Senate then we'd better hope our (D) President blows the dust off the veto stamp... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #71
What a bunch of bullshit... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #69
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