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Drunken Irishman

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Fri Mar 21, 2014, 02:01 AM Mar 2014

FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush... [View all]

...they all had their chance to fix the broken healthcare system. Only a handful tried - and every single one of 'em failed.

Before you tell the President to fuck off and call him a piece of shit, maybe you should look to those leaders, who served well before Pres. Obama, and blame them too for a system that, even when it's reformed, is far from perfect. It's easy to blame Obama - but it wasn't his mess. It was the mess of a dozen-plus presidents who kicked the can down the road, or entirely gave up on the fight after initial backlash.

If you're going to suggest Obama is culpable, then so is every U.S. senator, representative and president who served before him. That includes Ted Kennedy, who crippled healthcare reform twice - back under Nixon, and then again under Carter (who deserves blame too for proposing a conservative plan liberal Democrats could not get behind - and failed to even budge one inch).

Obama was served up a heaping pile of shit and frankly, got out of it the best thing possible.

Our old system just about screwed everyone. This system will screw a few, hell, it'll screw a lot, but it's also going to help far more than the old system ever could have done.

Think about it this way - had any of those presidents I listed even passed marginal healthcare reform, we probably would have universal coverage today. But because that step wasn't taken, Obama was forced to make the first steps ... and it's always the first steps that prove the hardest.

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Interesting that FDR should not have been told "FU" treestar Mar 2014 #1
excellent point steve2470 Mar 2014 #2
and even with single payer there will be times the government doesn't cover something we want treestar Mar 2014 #3
yes single payer won't pay for everything ! steve2470 Mar 2014 #4
Medicare itself wouldn't pay for a surgery my father had treestar Mar 2014 #6
In our system, it boils down to, if you don't support Dems, you end up supporting the Repugs steve2470 Mar 2014 #7
And there it is. So the agenda is plainly laid out. Thanks. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #30
my pleasure ! GOTV 2014 ! nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #31
Here is Truman expressing ProSense Mar 2014 #5
You should actually Cha Mar 2014 #8
Obamacare. Romneycare. Nixoncare. Three peas in a pod. progressoid Mar 2014 #9
Do you ProSense Mar 2014 #10
Do you progressoid Mar 2014 #12
Yes, ProSense Mar 2014 #13
OK progressoid Mar 2014 #14
"Romneycare" was mostly written by Mass Democrats. Romney just signed it. phleshdef Mar 2014 #32
You say LBJ failed but he got Medicare through! Jim Lane Mar 2014 #11
Have you heard of Medicare? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #15
I didn't know Medicare covered most Americans... Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #16
You said no reforms nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #17
Obviously, when discussing the ACA, I meant major reform to the entire system... Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #18
It **was** a major reform of the system nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #19
Medicare was in no way a door to any type of universal healthcare reform... Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #20
I am sorry if in this one I will defer nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #21
Let 'em agree... Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #22
And without it we would not be having this discussion nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #23
We probably would... Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #24
Why is pointing out WHY someone is "misguided" considered kicking them? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #28
I don't believe DI was trying to slight Medicare or Medicaid in anyway. phleshdef Mar 2014 #33
Third time's a charm! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #25
Thank you. elleng Mar 2014 #26
LBJ did *his* part MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #27
Well said, DI! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #29
It's fucked up, but we got Nixon's proposal. joshcryer Mar 2014 #34
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