Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: "Daily Kos will not enable those who enable Third Way" By Markos at DKos. Names names. [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)6. That may be true, but he
basically endorsed Hillary
The real primary fight of 2016 (and it's not an alternative to Hillary)
by kos
Some people have to come to terms. And I'm looking at you, people desperate to find an alternative to Hillary Clinton in 2016.
If Hillary runs, she's the nominee. I know it's in vogue to talk about how "inevitable" Hillary was in 2008. But it was a different world. I remember it because I was in the midst of that battle. People wanted an alternative, and alternatives existed. At her best, Hillary's poll numbers were in the 40s with Obama in the strong 20s. Look for yourself. Yes, she was the frontrunner, but there was a strong primary field within striking distance.
There is no alternative to Hillary this cycle. The last time anyone polled the Democratic primary field, Clinton had 73 percent of the vote, Biden 11, and Elizabeth Warren nine. That tells us a couple of things. One, 73 percent is A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE. She is the consensus nominee, and if you disagree, you are objectively in the deep minority. Second of all, there is no one to provide even nominal challenge. Clinton (again, assuming she runs) will have some "challengers", but it'll be a bunch of people auditioning for her VP slot.
To reiterate, leads like 45-25 in 2007 didn't make Hillary "inevitable". Numbers like 73-11 in 2014 absolutely do. And you know what? Those are not irrational numbers. Hillary will be a great president.
Elizabeth Warren isn't running. I get why people persist with this fantasy, but it's nothing more than a fantasy. Warren had to be dragged in kicking and screaming into the Massachusetts Senate race, a geographically small state in which she could sleep in her own bed every night. If you barely have the fire to run for Senate, then you absolutely don't have the fire to mount a brutal presidential campaign. And even if she did, all she'd have to do is look at the polling (73-9!) to realize she'd have a million better things to do with her time and her donors' money. SHE. AIN'T. RUNNING.
But hey, we've had plenty of primary pie wars over the years, so who cares if there's another one? I'll tell you why.
It's a distraction. With Clinton's commanding general election trial heats, not to mention demographic shifts shoring up our electoral picture, we'll have the luxury to look beyond the presidential and take a more holistic approach to the cycle. And we've got a lot of work ahead of us:
- more -
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/17/1278315/-The-real-primary-fight-of-2016-and-it-s-not-an-alternative-to-Hillary
by kos
Some people have to come to terms. And I'm looking at you, people desperate to find an alternative to Hillary Clinton in 2016.
If Hillary runs, she's the nominee. I know it's in vogue to talk about how "inevitable" Hillary was in 2008. But it was a different world. I remember it because I was in the midst of that battle. People wanted an alternative, and alternatives existed. At her best, Hillary's poll numbers were in the 40s with Obama in the strong 20s. Look for yourself. Yes, she was the frontrunner, but there was a strong primary field within striking distance.
There is no alternative to Hillary this cycle. The last time anyone polled the Democratic primary field, Clinton had 73 percent of the vote, Biden 11, and Elizabeth Warren nine. That tells us a couple of things. One, 73 percent is A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE. She is the consensus nominee, and if you disagree, you are objectively in the deep minority. Second of all, there is no one to provide even nominal challenge. Clinton (again, assuming she runs) will have some "challengers", but it'll be a bunch of people auditioning for her VP slot.
To reiterate, leads like 45-25 in 2007 didn't make Hillary "inevitable". Numbers like 73-11 in 2014 absolutely do. And you know what? Those are not irrational numbers. Hillary will be a great president.
Elizabeth Warren isn't running. I get why people persist with this fantasy, but it's nothing more than a fantasy. Warren had to be dragged in kicking and screaming into the Massachusetts Senate race, a geographically small state in which she could sleep in her own bed every night. If you barely have the fire to run for Senate, then you absolutely don't have the fire to mount a brutal presidential campaign. And even if she did, all she'd have to do is look at the polling (73-9!) to realize she'd have a million better things to do with her time and her donors' money. SHE. AIN'T. RUNNING.
But hey, we've had plenty of primary pie wars over the years, so who cares if there's another one? I'll tell you why.
It's a distraction. With Clinton's commanding general election trial heats, not to mention demographic shifts shoring up our electoral picture, we'll have the luxury to look beyond the presidential and take a more holistic approach to the cycle. And we've got a lot of work ahead of us:
- more -
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/17/1278315/-The-real-primary-fight-of-2016-and-it-s-not-an-alternative-to-Hillary
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
104 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
"Daily Kos will not enable those who enable Third Way" By Markos at DKos. Names names. [View all]
madfloridian
Mar 2014
OP
I am a member there, but left about six years ago because Kos had the exact opposite opinion of The
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#100
Since the choice was between 2 New Dems (Third way)...it doesn't seem relevant.
madfloridian
Mar 2014
#13
If only Hillary runs, the message is that only the DLC crowd have ideas, offer solutions to our
JDPriestly
Mar 2014
#19
How does pointing to support for a "Third Way" enabler "change the subject"? n/t
ProSense
Mar 2014
#39
"There is no alternative to Hillary this cycle.". Gee I guess if she doesn't run the Democrats won't
PoliticAverse
Mar 2014
#76
Per WillyT's post. Is it an honor for Markos when Jon Cowan 3rd way attacks him in Politico?
madfloridian
Mar 2014
#30
Now guess who will be blamed for any losses. That's right...Kos will be the fall guy.
madfloridian
Mar 2014
#42
"No. It's been scientifically proven that only RW corporatist pseudo-Dems can win elections!"
Zorra
Mar 2014
#45
STOP comparing liberals who speak out to the Tea Party. That is destructive.
madfloridian
Mar 2014
#58
Refusing to enable is NOT "purging" That's baloney. This is NOT Free Republic.
madfloridian
Mar 2014
#66
Ironically, Kos is likely helping these people establish their centrist cred
ConservativeDemocrat
Mar 2014
#85
What does what the morons on FR do have to do with US? Here's what you need to know, we don't care
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#102
Hillary Clinton, Mar 2014: 'Let's Be Clear,' Military Option for Iran 'on the Table'
Catherina
Mar 2014
#81
Let the conservatives go vote for their Republican brothers instead of taking refuge
pragmatic_dem
Mar 2014
#84
Isn't part of any democratic process the formation of a new party when the one you brung to
djean111
Mar 2014
#101