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352. So what do you want?

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 02:23 AM

Mar 2014

The old system? Talk about something screwed up.

The ACA did not create the formularies that insurance companies have used for forever (and denied Pitt's wife the med she needed with them), but it does have built into it an appeals process to get around denied coverage — something that didn't exist before.

So you see, the ACA is an improvement. No one says it's perfect but it has helped 5 million people get health insurance.

Pitt was wrong and over-the-top with his misdirected hater rant, and he even doubled down on it today even though many DUers told him how to go around the insurance companies.

My prayers to his wife but no way should he make those kind of hateful insults, be proven wrong, get the help he needed, then still not be man enough to make an apology.

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the pearl clutching going on over someone directing "fuck you" at President Obama [View all] cali Mar 2014 OP

Welcome to hair on fire Underground. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #1

Criticism for: "Fuck you, Mr. President, you piece of shit used-car salesman. " ProSense Mar 2014 #2

Bullshit. "The attack was misguided..." Put yourself in the shoes of someone whose OTHER HALF is cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #9

"Bullshit" back at you. It was misguided, and ProSense Mar 2014 #12

So what's your beef? fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #17

Spare me the nonsense. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #18

You're mistaken where the nonsense is. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #64

More nonsense. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #67

I agree, more nonsense. nt brush Mar 2014 #169

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #148

You know that after a few posts? sheshe2 Mar 2014 #184

What's your "beef"? You're not making any sense. Cha Mar 2014 #117

There's plenty of that going around. ~eom fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #171

I can see that. Cha Mar 2014 #177

Ooops~ sheshe2 Mar 2014 #185

Wow.. musta been a Malicious Intruder. Cha Mar 2014 #199

It's called a Z_O_M_B_I_E ... In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #392

I think that one was a sock hootinholler Mar 2014 #428

But, was it a sock of a PPRed DUer ? In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #493

Where's the beef? sheshe2 Mar 2014 #217

.. Cha Mar 2014 #219

They are flea to be me~ sheshe2 Mar 2014 #237

Bummer, I missed it. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #261

That's a daily occurrence AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #515

I'm talking about how a person feels when their OTHER HALF is suffering from a terrible disease and cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #27

No ProSense Mar 2014 #35

You can't even THINK about posting without including "a vile comment toward the President". cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #44

It was vile and misguided. Period. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #50

Seems like you're not getting it brush Mar 2014 #175

To be honest, you don't get it Aerows Mar 2014 #289

So what do you want? brush Mar 2014 #352

So the formularies have always been a problem? Obviously you are right. A Simple Game Mar 2014 #438

It barely got passed brush Mar 2014 #464

It seems the formularies could easily have just been reconfigured. It's done all the time for A Simple Game Mar 2014 #510

bingo questionseverything Mar 2014 #486

I agree 100%. n/t A Simple Game Mar 2014 #511

How about how the 5 million people who just got Healthcare...some maybe right here on this blog VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #61

If you get offended by statements that neither mention you, nor your name, that's YOUR problem. n/t cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #62

People WHO just got healthcare would think rather highly of the man that did it for them... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #78

Would you be saying the same if Sarah Palin said it? Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #81

Yeah, I don't have time for imagination games, and don't give a shit about what people like her say cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #84

A simple yes or no would suffice. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #102

Thank you, Liberal Veteran.. an apology when one is wrong is the principled thing Cha Mar 2014 #157

So Will Pitt gets a pass in your book? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #142

I don't take it personally, whether from Palin or Pitt. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #173

When someone I respect lashes out in error out against someone I respect, I do take it personally. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #189

Being in the military AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #516

Sara represents the STATE. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #281

Sarah represents herself. She holds no public office. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #288

Ted Nugent or Ann Coulter also represent the STATE. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #454

Obviously, this discussion offends you, though it didn't mention you or your name. phleshdef Mar 2014 #129

No they got health insurance not health care. zeemike Mar 2014 #138

So what? Its MUCH better than what he had before "COBRA". VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #143

Well so you know, I don't always agree with WP. zeemike Mar 2014 #207

So if Rand Paul came here and said "Fuck YOU" and called him a "piece of shit car salesman" VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #469

That is a straw man argument and you know it. zeemike Mar 2014 #477

How is that strawman...if it is a FACT that if a Republican came here and said those exact words VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #478

Because the argument is NOT about a Republican coming here. zeemike Mar 2014 #485

So you say Will Pitt gets a pass because his has always been so supportive of the ACA and VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #508

Gets a pass on what? zeemike Mar 2014 #512

He said and I quote..."FUCK YOU President Obama" "you piece of shit car salesman" VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #513

I know what he said...I read the post. zeemike Mar 2014 #514

WHAT???? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #522

it's about teamwork -- good vs bad, effective vs not. Voice for Peace Mar 2014 #68

So he has nothing to do with it when it is bad zeemike Mar 2014 #121

Given that it seems like the ACA had nothing to do with the problem mythology Mar 2014 #179

So far every single time someone has claimed harm from it...has been found to be false... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #480

Are you Obama? If not, then get over yourself. nt. NorthCarolina Mar 2014 #425

See that's the problem Egnever Mar 2014 #13

please tell me your joking... daleanime Mar 2014 #19

You think that's funny? Egnever Mar 2014 #25

No, I find it offense... daleanime Mar 2014 #38

Clutch them pearls baby! Egnever Mar 2014 #75

It was, quite so. ~eom fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #298

Do you think that doesn't happen in Canada or Great Brittain or all that other countries with VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #65

You directing that at me? Egnever Mar 2014 #87

Oh here comes the backpedal! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #89

??? I think you are confusing me with someone else Egnever Mar 2014 #94

did you or did you not say you would not buy the insurance at all if you couldn't get that one VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #101

WTF? Egnever Mar 2014 #108

YOU said it I didnt....I understand Formularies.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #110

Good lord you are wacky Egnever Mar 2014 #124

but I am not wacky enough to say I wouldn't buy insurance at all if I couldnt get one drug! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #130

no one said that but you.. Egnever Mar 2014 #134

Best line in the entire thread. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #309

You didn't qualify it from the start..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #457

Canada doesn't cover generally cover drugs... SidDithers Mar 2014 #455

Thankfully we subsidize your cost TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #519

so you do without healthcare at all? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #85

No I do research Egnever Mar 2014 #92

then what the hell was the rant about and why are you defending it? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #105

You need to start over Egnever Mar 2014 #111

No I don't I understood it perfectly and You are still defending that misguided VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #115

Holy shit take a breathe Egnever Mar 2014 #131

Oh yes I know this tactic...Page 7 in the handbook isn't it? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #139

lol Egnever Mar 2014 #144

did you not excuse it? Did you not say you would do the same thing... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #145

Never Egnever Mar 2014 #149

then I rest my case..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #154

lol Egnever Mar 2014 #161

Actually, for this I blame William Pitt and his fellow travelers ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #192

Wrong. We're trying to SAVE the Democratic Party. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #291

I agree. Member since 2003. More issues discussions as I recall and less DebJ Mar 2014 #381

... Rex Mar 2014 #417

Pssst, egnever is on YOUR side! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #521

I don't think I'm in agreement with you on this topic, but... DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #263

I got to see it Egnever Mar 2014 #265

IMHO, a righteous person would self delete it. ~eom fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #304

I think so too.... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #147

Thanks Egnever Mar 2014 #170

He's not defending it brush Mar 2014 #187

with specialtiy drugs, you really can not be assured they are covered before you buy questionseverything Mar 2014 #495

Sure you can Egnever Mar 2014 #497

i posted a formulary questionseverything Mar 2014 #500

Honestly? They should've directed the attack where it belonged - at the right wingers who are the Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #42

50 fucking votes to repeal the ACA! Repukes are THE source of all our problems. Rex Mar 2014 #446

Yup. That's why I don't want to hear the BS of attacking our president, when he is not the Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #450

It was very out of line and uncalled for I agree. Rex Mar 2014 #451

I, too, want a sudden change from all this crap that has been going on so long. But the thing is, Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #468

Misguided my ass. I would think he would apologize to all of us who respect Obama if he truly lumpy Mar 2014 #66

and how about the fact that WE worked with the President to get he and his wife that VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #88

No, it was definitely misguided because it wasn't Obama's fault and the problem DID get solved. phleshdef Mar 2014 #127

Why didn't he cuss out the insurance company? Rincewind Mar 2014 #136

Disparage the right target, dammit, the insurance company brush Mar 2014 #165

Is he the only person on DU that has a person suffering in their life? sheshe2 Mar 2014 #182

Oh so you get to use your OTHER HALF (lol) as an excuse to be illogical? treestar Mar 2014 #311

Of course it was an attack on President Obama. pnwmom Mar 2014 #348

I like this idea that all of us who criticized Will have perfect health and healthy relatives theboss Mar 2014 #441

Any criticism of Obama is unfair and an attack according to you. n-t Logical Mar 2014 #48

Criticism is one thing, slinging hate is another. lumpy Mar 2014 #80

It wasn't the critics that blurred that line. JoeyT Mar 2014 #174

Very true. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #430

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 stg81 Mar 2014 #483

Ironically most of the criticism on this board is illogical, stupid and unfair treestar Mar 2014 #316

I think that having a wife with MS who is being refused life saving meds, sort of takes precedence sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #343

His wife was not being refused life saving meds Egnever Mar 2014 #498

Ahhhh AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #517

If Obama couldn't handle the criticism, then he shouldn't have ever entered politics. 1monster Mar 2014 #443

+100000000000 stg81 Mar 2014 #481

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #501

I am amazed at this justification that some feel for the over the top hate filled attack personally lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #529

I had no problem with this. TY 840high Mar 2014 #3

Me either Aerows Mar 2014 #6

Pitts remarks were not criticism. They were rantings of a person who shows his obvious lumpy Mar 2014 #86

they act like we don't read Democratic Underground and we have never seen anything else w VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #91

Verily lumpy Mar 2014 #209

Will has also written praise of the president cali Mar 2014 #380

so small as to be invisible to the naked eye... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #458

codswallop. cali Mar 2014 #499

Evidence then..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #506

I didn't realize that when I voted for President Obama (twice) Aerows Mar 2014 #99

Who says you have to treat Obama like your husband ? What ever that means. lumpy Mar 2014 #214

Not tell tales out of the house. Not reveal their vulnerable intimacy Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #233

Have you visited DU, General Discussion Aerows Mar 2014 #295

HAVE You? Outside the Bog this Democratic President is RARELY given credit.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #461

That is NOT what this is about.....your twisting of it is duly noted. VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #459

We cannot have disdain for Obama! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #377

Actually for the DU Poster in question....quite the opposite is true! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #462

Aerows, that was not criticism, that was full out hate. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #132

It might have been misguided Aerows Mar 2014 #334

When did I ever ask someone to STFU? sheshe2 Mar 2014 #354

It was more than misguided....it was insulting to those others on that thread VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #465

come on now, it's not like anyone threatened to kill him for saying that JI7 Mar 2014 #4

Some posters take criticism of the President personally. I have never understood it. morningfog Mar 2014 #5

They certainly are protective of him - as if he needs them to be... polichick Mar 2014 #7

You would think their Aerows Mar 2014 #8

You would think someone benefitting FROM the ACA AND calling themselves a Democrat... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #104

I'm certainly no Will Pitt fan, but Glitterati Mar 2014 #271

Amazing isn't it. So little compassion for the sick. This has been an eye-opening situation. I am sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #361

Yes, it is amazing. Glitterati Mar 2014 #384

the sick are GETTING more healthcare....some of us worked our asses off for that legislation. VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #466

+1 Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #372

You're right Glitterati Mar 2014 #385

It's shocking. Shocking, I tell you. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #518

So its fine with you when a DU'er calls the Democratic (twice elected by majority) President VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #467

Yes, that was EXACTLY my point. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #476

I read the word but they have me confused. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #330

I've never seen anything like it -- EVER. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #23

I think it has to do with him being the first president in the "social media age." morningfog Mar 2014 #30

That seems ProSense Mar 2014 #59

Greenwald often comes across as a total prick. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #82

True. Those pulling the strings don't come across as genuine... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #73

I just don't get it Glitterati Mar 2014 #77

I agree. I don't get it either. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #141

It's really evident with the Crap Blogs that are trotted out here. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #151

What amazes me is the lack of INTELLIGENT conversation Glitterati Mar 2014 #242

That died around 2008... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #326

+100000000 QC Mar 2014 #386

How right you are Glitterati Mar 2014 #390

The change from DU2 and the elimination of the mod system has a lot to do with it IMO. L0oniX Mar 2014 #407

Sure it does Glitterati Mar 2014 #416

You nailed it. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #433

Could be. But I can think of a couple of former mods... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #509

Call it immature if you want . . . brush Mar 2014 #194

I called it juvenile Glitterati Mar 2014 #235

Good grief, you call 'the DU rant' holding Obama's 'feet to the fire' ? lumpy Mar 2014 #256

No, I call it a human being in pain Glitterati Mar 2014 #267

You use Pitt's rant as 'putting Obamas feet to the fire' in your previous post. lumpy Mar 2014 #277

Here's a clue Glitterati Mar 2014 #282

Damn. I am so sorry for your loss, Glitterati. Lars39 Mar 2014 #274

Thank you, Lars Glitterati Mar 2014 #275

He's a writer for God's sake brush Mar 2014 #357

And, therein lies your problem Glitterati Mar 2014 #397

Guess you haven't been paying attention brush Mar 2014 #440

ROFL, paying attention? Glitterati Mar 2014 #442

Like I said, guess you haven't been paying attention . . . brush Mar 2014 #460

If you don't get it, you might have a lot to learn yet. lumpy Mar 2014 #239

ROFL Glitterati Mar 2014 #245

Sweety, I am probably old enough to be your great aunt. Old age hasn't affected my abilities lumpy Mar 2014 #270

Bwahahahahahaha Glitterati Mar 2014 #272

Yes you too, wave those pom poms for your Democratic hero Mr. Pitt. lumpy Mar 2014 #280

You really are a classic example Glitterati Mar 2014 #283

Not sure what you're talking about. lumpy Mar 2014 #303

Good n/t Glitterati Mar 2014 #305

Oh FUCK YEAH This Exchange Is Hilarious HangOnKids Mar 2014 #323

LOL Glitterati Mar 2014 #383

Juvenile is blaming the President for your personal problems treestar Mar 2014 #324

Well, we did blame Reagan for his ignoring AIDS, but a different thing entirely. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #356

Even if they DID blame Bush Glitterati Mar 2014 #387

DUers did defend Bush on some things. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #389

Thank you. I think it's immaturity plus: snappyturtle Mar 2014 #378

All excellent points! Glitterati Mar 2014 #391

Back in the day...ha! nt snappyturtle Mar 2014 #412

It's the American Idol viewer type of people. Some people feel the need to... L0oniX Mar 2014 #405

Someone needs to clue them in to the fact Glitterati Mar 2014 #424

Indeed. "Obama already won the race". L0oniX Mar 2014 #432

Eternal vigilance is the price of something jsr Mar 2014 #482

Maybe the same 35 posters bobduca Mar 2014 #26

Yup. woo me with science Mar 2014 #484

Identity politics. [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2014 #28

And some people take criticism of certain DUers personally and post multiple threads Blaukraut Mar 2014 #41

And some people post multiple threads trolling that person Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #43

Not disagreeing with you. But it does cut both ways, and if you're honest Blaukraut Mar 2014 #51

It makes no difference to me, but at least on DU, posters actually know each other. morningfog Mar 2014 #58

My gauge is simple: Blaukraut Mar 2014 #72

I can't speak for others, but I feel a strong affection towards Obama despite a lot of stuff I could Voice for Peace Mar 2014 #107

this was not a simple criticism....no matter how hard you sing that song... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #119

Here's a dog for you: it doesn't fucking matter. morningfog Mar 2014 #375

Yes by that standard ALL republicans are welcome to come here and vent their anger right? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #470

You don't understand and I think it is on purpose. morningfog Mar 2014 #473

You support it....therefore it must be fine with you if a republican came to DU to say.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #474

Alright, I am going to try to explain to you before I put you back on ignore. morningfog Mar 2014 #475

A President is a legitimate source of political support treestar Mar 2014 #320

Even those who support Will Pitt can admit Glitterati Mar 2014 #394

Useless treestar Mar 2014 #400

You see, there's your issue Glitterati Mar 2014 #403

OMG! ProSense Mar 2014 #45

mostly just this president Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #74

You'll notice how many have Obama family avatars LittleBlue Mar 2014 #83

I am laughing at this post specifically. I don't think I've seen DU'ers using Obama family avatars KittyWampus Mar 2014 #258

Venture into the BOG some time and check out the avatars LittleBlue Mar 2014 #312

I don't understand it either. It's unhealthy, tbh. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #90

Its NOT about the President per se....HE is now going to benefit from the very program VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #95

That was criticism? treestar Mar 2014 #319

I've never understood it either. City Lights Mar 2014 #434

Reverse pearl clutching? cheapdate Mar 2014 #10

Maintain - see #9 fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #14

I followed the enture Pitt debacle and posted a few myself. cheapdate Mar 2014 #54

We can be better than that. ~eom fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #201

As if pearl clutching isn't a DU pastime Egnever Mar 2014 #11

Well, I do declare! Kurovski Mar 2014 #16

LOL, 'nough said. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #211

Yeah.... but Will Pitt was mean to President Obama Autumn Mar 2014 #15

Some people have a tendency to criticize vile comments. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #21

He's a big ole meaniebutt!!! QC Mar 2014 #22

It's very sad and traumatic. Autumn Mar 2014 #32

I know the president must break down in tears QC Mar 2014 #37

My thoughts exactly QC. That's the main reason I find this so unsettling. Autumn Mar 2014 #57

I, too, lie awake nights worrying about this. QC Mar 2014 #76

It's going to be a long hard week, many tears will be shed Autumn Mar 2014 #106

Let us lift him up in prayer! QC Mar 2014 #140

Amen Brothers and Sisters. Let us join hands and get down on our knees Autumn Mar 2014 #159

This is definitely my favorite sub-thread. Iggo Mar 2014 #445

Come, won't you join us in prayer? Autumn Mar 2014 #452

Oh gawd yes!!! Iggo Mar 2014 #453

This is definitely my favorite sub-thread. Iggo Mar 2014 #444

Hope he doesn't put us on the Terror Tuesday kill list. OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #122

Cue the Mikado Chorus! Lars39 Mar 2014 #137

you win, for the Gilbert and Sullivan reference! grasswire Mar 2014 #218

Lol...Thankee Lars39 Mar 2014 #224

yes, me too... grasswire Mar 2014 #255

Thanks, grasswire! Lars39 Mar 2014 #259

Shit, that DUer wasn't anonymous we all know who it was. Autumn Mar 2014 #234

I guessed I missed something. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #20

Will got pissed off and called the POTUS some pretty foul stuff. Rex Mar 2014 #114

Aha! ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #156

NP. Rex Mar 2014 #167

It's a conservative criticism ... Something "progressives" should stay far from no? uponit7771 Mar 2014 #24

Anybody who has dealt with a chronic complex disease has had insurance/formulary issues. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #29

Exactly Egnever Mar 2014 #34

Amen uponit7771 Mar 2014 #46

Bingo! Well said. brush Mar 2014 #198

Hope you are doing well, Liberal Veteran. Number23 Mar 2014 #284

Thank you. That is very kind. I am doing pretty well all in all. -nt Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #297

So true. Thing is, some of us believe Pitt has lost all respect for the Prez and that is why he lumpy Mar 2014 #293

His booboo? HangOnKids Mar 2014 #336

yeah, it's almost like the FDR pearl-clutching. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #31

Spot fucking ON cali. n/t cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #33

it's all understandable but in my opinion it makes for poor teamwork. Voice for Peace Mar 2014 #36

Sorry, I disagree. He's our Democratic president. If the fuck you came from a right winger Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author albino65 Mar 2014 #49

I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #56

I'm sorry. I'll delete it. I don't need to get in the middle n/t albino65 Mar 2014 #63

No, honestly, I didn't understand. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #70

*******Right On****** uponit7771 Mar 2014 #52

That is correct. Talk like a winger, you get the same amount of respect from me Whisp Mar 2014 #118

You got that right....I have been saying that for months! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #123

LOLOL nt grasswire Mar 2014 #225

so easy, this black and white world you must live in Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #365

You're not living in Europe, where one can work with shades of gray. Here? The system is Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #447

Goddamn it! albino65 Mar 2014 #40

Let Skinner know in ATA that your ignore is broken Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #53

I have albino65 Mar 2014 #55

Apology accepted Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #47

Here, take my apology. Autumn Mar 2014 #200

That was uncalled for Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #382

Do you want my apologies to everyone too? This could be Autumn Mar 2014 #422

Not sure how much they're worth Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #423

If someone on DU really said that about Obama, they should be banned. Renew Deal Mar 2014 #60

lmao Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #79

Yeah, this is the wrong thread for that, RD.. this is the.. Cha Mar 2014 #109

I got mixed up again Renew Deal Mar 2014 #120

.. Cha Mar 2014 #162

Can you please point out the posts in this thread where Obama has been called names with impunity? Autumn Mar 2014 #276

Oh believe it...They did say it! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #128

AGREED 100% brush Mar 2014 #203

Can we do the same to SwankyXomb Mar 2014 #243

Hear, hear! Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #71

It's the same people who clutch those pearls, too. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #93

"Little criticism".. rofl. there was "pearl clutching" but it wasn't from those who won't Cha Mar 2014 #216

Trying to change the tacit rules for political discourse... woo me with science Mar 2014 #96

I think I need to timeout on DU for a bit. This is turning into suckville. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #97

it is indeed steve2470 Mar 2014 #220

My personal "pile of shit" moment. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #379

I'm going to hit the sack. lumpy Mar 2014 #296

Fuck you Bernie Sanders, FUCK YOU!! Whisp Mar 2014 #98

Bernie Sanders.. who voted for that Cha Mar 2014 #113

You forgot he is a "piece of shit car salesman" to boot! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #133

We know That would be totally unacceptable. Whisp Mar 2014 #164

EXACTLY.....I keep repeating ...if a Republican came here and said those things....they would VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #472

Could you imagine someone posting that after the food stamp vote? n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #153

Well you just did. zeemike Mar 2014 #196

depends, whisp. I know what I wouldn't do- try and have the person banned or cali Mar 2014 #388

Holy fucking shit on a stick postatomic Mar 2014 #100

I just read that thread. I guess it was more about calling him crimeariver1225 Mar 2014 #103

Some here are in permanent attack mode. Question Obama, and you must be desroyed. Skip Intro Mar 2014 #112

I'm tired Aerows Mar 2014 #116

Yeah, me too. Those are trolls, and that's exaclty what they are, because Skip Intro Mar 2014 #152

So says the troll. ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #240

As if to prove my point. n/t Skip Intro Mar 2014 #249

Haven't you noticed? Glitterati Mar 2014 #278

Huh? Good grief. ProSense Mar 2014 #125

Spin it baby! Skip Intro Mar 2014 #155

You have nothing. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #158

Rofl. Were your ears burning, Prosense? Skip Intro Mar 2014 #166

Do you? n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #168

Tsk, tsk... greytdemocrat Mar 2014 #178

What facts? jeff47 Mar 2014 #172

I have to agree with the OP. Bernie2016 Mar 2014 #126

I agree about the freedom of speech. but the immeasurable cost to reputation crimeariver1225 Mar 2014 #135

Whose? truebluegreen Mar 2014 #369

anyone's. a person has a right to speak freely in this country. but there are still consequences crimeariver1225 Mar 2014 #487

Try "piece of shit" not just "fuck you" brush Mar 2014 #146

What kind of site do you want this to be? ecstatic Mar 2014 #150

People don't have to like it. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #160

That's not what the pearl-clutching is over. jeff47 Mar 2014 #163

Fat chance ProSense Mar 2014 #176

Doesn't mean we can't explain it to them. jeff47 Mar 2014 #181

At least we now know he's not an investigative journalist. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #186

When was the last time a President was disrespected, attacked, slandered, etc, like PBO? phleshdef Mar 2014 #180

The Clintons were accused of murder. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #188

you are correct about the Clintons but we don't need to toughen up steve2470 Mar 2014 #190

Not on the D.U. Trolls like that were Tombstoned. ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #195

Anyone who uses "the D.U." should be tombstoned. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #205

You seriously think he wasn't using deliberately inflammatory rhetoric? ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #212

Well, "mission accomplished" if he were. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #221

I don't think he should be banned and I was one of the harshest critics of that post. phleshdef Mar 2014 #231

Actually, I don't either ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #247

Right on, completely valid point. phleshdef Mar 2014 #252

You are bang on. The ones making that asinine argument don't even seem to understand what they Number23 Mar 2014 #315

Sounds reasonable. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #248

What I read was written out of despair and frustration. Taken in that context it's wholly and cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #241

DU did not exist during the Clinton years. Autumn Mar 2014 #208

So there were no discussions about the Clinton years after DU's inception? phleshdef Mar 2014 #210

I'm sure there were discussions but we were all kind of licking our Autumn Mar 2014 #230

There has been a lot of discussion over the years laundry_queen Mar 2014 #408

By Democrats? Ted Nugent called the President a POS ProSense Mar 2014 #197

They went after Clinton hard but still not nearly as hard as they have Obama. phleshdef Mar 2014 #202

+1 nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #206

I don't feel Obama represents me as well as (a dwindling number of) others in the Democratic Party. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #286

By Dems? Cha Mar 2014 #204

^^The $64,000 question^^ Whisp Mar 2014 #253

I know it's hard for some to accept... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #264

Well then they were stupid. Cha Mar 2014 #266

Well. LOL That settles that! WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #268

Clinton was not "accused of murder" by Democrats. The murder accusation was your point. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #317

Don't put words in my mouth. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #332

Well, ProSense Mar 2014 #338

LOL I'm not your trained seal... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #340

You don't need to click on the links. Its a direct transcript of your own discussion. phleshdef Mar 2014 #342

And nowhere did I state that Democrats accused the Clintons of murder. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #346

All the denial in the world isn't going to change what you said. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #353

Keep fucking that chicken, Pro. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #355

Do you deny ProSense Mar 2014 #360

Why not share the entire post? WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #366

LOL! Thanks for the link. ProSense Mar 2014 #368

omg, that link is BLUE!!!!! Whisp Mar 2014 #398

No, but by your responses to her questions, you insinuated an equivalence. phleshdef Mar 2014 #358

I can't control what others infer from my posts. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #362

LOL! ProSense Mar 2014 #344

LOL! Hey this is fun! WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #350

+++Great post, I especially relate to this part: Whisp Mar 2014 #191

it's amazing that a site like DU is so negative towards the President steve2470 Mar 2014 #193

Hate sells and it's apparently contagious. Cha Mar 2014 #290

yes steve2470 Mar 2014 #292

.. Cha Mar 2014 #300

always my pleasure ! nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #302

Thank you. Honestly that might've been the most vindicating thing I've wrote in a long time. phleshdef Mar 2014 #227

Bravo! Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #226

The answer to this question is always going to be... egduj Mar 2014 #228

I address that and its simply not true. phleshdef Mar 2014 #229

You're right. That couldn't be the answer for George Washington. egduj Mar 2014 #232

Actually lets just go as far back as Bush. phleshdef Mar 2014 #238

Thank you betsuni Mar 2014 #337

That was well written. I thank you and wish you'd consider as an OP. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #489

I second that! betsuni Mar 2014 #523

another rec for an OP nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #524

cali I respect your opinions steve2470 Mar 2014 #183

Call it misguided, call it whatever you want. But focusing on that single phrase misses the point nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #371

I truly do have compassion for them steve2470 Mar 2014 #373

Yeah, we wouldn't want anyone to ever overreact to something posted in GD, would we. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #213

And you just love to see all the attacks on him. You always have. kestrel91316 Mar 2014 #215

I have noticed that also. lumpy Mar 2014 #328

that's absurd. A) I was one of his earliest supporters here cali Mar 2014 #396

Ha! You didn't know that you would be accused.... ReRe Mar 2014 #222

"Trolling for Obama" Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #409

agreed Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #223

I don't think its about the president as much as it is about who we are. aikoaiko Mar 2014 #236

In the BOG Obama IS a deity. DesMoinesDem Mar 2014 #244

Obama is a man. No one here is stupid enough to think of him as "deity." ProSense Mar 2014 #246

I get a much different impression from the BOG. DesMoinesDem Mar 2014 #254

We have respect for the Prez and we support him on the whole and those who just can't get that.. Cha Mar 2014 #287

Outside of the BOG, defending or praising Obama is some sort of blasphemy. phleshdef Mar 2014 #257

Some of the angry folks on DU live in a black and white world. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #411

It's the yin to the yang of GD steve2470 Mar 2014 #262

Question: Is a Democrat "allowed" to hate a Democratic president? grasswire Mar 2014 #250

You echo my exact feelings Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #367

"And what I DO dislike is Obama's squad of fluffers. I hated the Bushbots and I dislike the djean111 Mar 2014 #404

There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it. Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #251

lol @ pearl clutching, did someone go off message? Good. Honesty wins over corporate pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #260

I understood why he was so fired up and I felt bad for his wife. What bothered me pnwmom Mar 2014 #269

It was a dishonest post Whisp Mar 2014 #273

I also was working, at first, with a broker recommended by a relative. pnwmom Mar 2014 #279

you do know that Pitt is a NYT best selling author... grasswire Mar 2014 #285

so? Whisp Mar 2014 #301

just want to make sure you are clearly aware.... grasswire Mar 2014 #321

That's rich. pnwmom Mar 2014 #341

He does damage to himself. Good lord just because he wrote a book Whisp Mar 2014 #395

so is Ann Coulter treestar Mar 2014 #327

there you go again.....nt grasswire Mar 2014 #331

How you speak to others. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #419

I'm waiting for her response Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #421

*Crickets* Rex Mar 2014 #507

And the relevance of this is what? He didn't do all the research in this case. pnwmom Mar 2014 #339

Which leads me to think maybe the book isn't all true? Whisp Mar 2014 #399

Wow....that is a staggeringly ignorant statement! Lars39 Mar 2014 #488

apparently he isn't very good at looking into facts Whisp Mar 2014 #490

You know, going after someone's livelihood is pretty goddammed low. Lars39 Mar 2014 #491

oh yeh, I forgot about another time of poor fact checking - Karl Rove Indictment Whisp Mar 2014 #494

The posts in this subthread are beyond low Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #496

I wouldn't draw that conclusion. I just think that his emotions got the better of him pnwmom Mar 2014 #503

then he doesn't even need the ACA treestar Mar 2014 #347

Which makes his inability to do basic research on #1. choosing an insurance plan and #2. how to get KittyWampus Mar 2014 #471

The investigative journalists are a rare breed.. like Steve Benen, Rachel Maddow, Cha Mar 2014 #299

The Click Garners... Whisp Mar 2014 #306

LOL.. I think that was the old days Cha Mar 2014 #308

i wish i had pearls MFM008 Mar 2014 #294

It was an unfair attack treestar Mar 2014 #307

An apology of misdirected anger would be appropriate. A lot of people have bad things happen to lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #310

so so true nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #313

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #314

I won't alert on you, but I'd advise you to delete that LittleBlue Mar 2014 #318

That is, well, ridiculous... Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #322

Obama isn't even reading this LittleBlue Mar 2014 #325

Who says cali is reading it? Maybe I'm blocked... Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #333

Tough shit treestar Mar 2014 #329

Sheesh... fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #335

I'm usually on William Pitt's side donheld Mar 2014 #345

Calling someone a POS is more than a rant lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #351

in your opinion truebluegreen Mar 2014 #370

Calling the President a piece of shit is not a big deal. donheld Mar 2014 #526

Calling anyone a POS is a big deal, and if you don't see that isn't my problem lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #528

Does it matter to you that he was getting a lot of recs for repeating a lie? pnwmom Mar 2014 #359

it could also be an imaginary friend. Whisp Mar 2014 #401

I think his 'friend' didn't exist. randome Mar 2014 #402

I know Will went through hell this week over his wife's meds. donheld Mar 2014 #525

My concern was that we were in the last days of sign-up and he's an influential person. pnwmom Mar 2014 #527

Every fact he stated in that post was false theboss Mar 2014 #449

When you get too comfortable Aerows Mar 2014 #349

I think I'm going to faint Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #363

when GW Bush was called nasty things on here the moral squad raised few objections nt msongs Mar 2014 #364

we criticize Obama because he we think he is capable of more than what he settles for politicman Mar 2014 #374

K&R! Our only hope to change the President's position is to criticize his position. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #376

DU was the reason that back in 2003 I actually got up off my butt, out of my shyness and isolation DebJ Mar 2014 #393

Exactly! Thanks Glitterati Mar 2014 #410

"Your job is to hold my feet to the fire... jsr Mar 2014 #406

You don't hold anyone's feet to the fire by throwing juvenile insults around. randome Mar 2014 #413

Well, then Glitterati Mar 2014 #414

Well, I did ignore the original thread. I'm surprised to see so many threads about the thread. randome Mar 2014 #418

For you, I sincerely hope Glitterati Mar 2014 #420

Used to happen to my neice all the time before the ACA. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #426

Still happens to some Glitterati Mar 2014 #427

I do have empathy for them. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #429

Perhaps a virtual hug Glitterati Mar 2014 #431

I did not alert. I never do. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #436

So sad Glitterati Mar 2014 #437

I think you responded to the wrong person. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #479

Well, Thank you for explaining that ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #415

Grow some skin DU randr Mar 2014 #435

It's pretty frightening isn't it? Glitterati Mar 2014 #439

Well, Ted Nugent would approve, that's for sure. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #448

I feel the same way about TPP LordGlenconner Mar 2014 #456

Maybe it's considered OK for the majority sufrommich Mar 2014 #463

"Pearl clutching". Hardly. DanTex Mar 2014 #492

Poor cheerleaders, someone was mean to their messiah RetroLounge Mar 2014 #502

He is also very good at dealing with hecklers. liberal N proud Mar 2014 #504

PO, way to insult everyone who doesn't think name calling=policy criticism n/t Sheepshank Mar 2014 #505

Lol! n/t sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #520