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In reply to the discussion: Does the Big Bang breakthrough offer proof of God? [View all]LostOne4Ever
(9,288 posts)64. Something from nothing
I cannot grasp my head around the fact that everyone thinks that science can or will ever be able to explain how we came to be.
Not everyone thinks that. However, that does not mean it won't one day do just that.
I say this because of the simple fact that everything has a beginning, something just does not come from nothing.
How do you know this? X had to come from Y. Y had to come from Z. Z had to come from what? It is endless if EVERYTHING had to have a beginning. IE the turtles all the way down argument.
Either A) Something can come from nothing or B) Not everything has to have a beginning and that the multiverse has ALWAYS been here in one form or another. Neither possibility requires a god.
Expanding on A) Its possible that nothing is unstable and gives birth to something. There is a theory that the net sum of all the energy in the universe is zero supporting this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_Universe
We could never ever have absolute proof of how the 'whatever it is' before the big bang came into existence (and what was before that and before that and so on), and we could never ever have absolute proof of a higher being.
Both options rely on some sort of faith in something that can never be proven.
Both options rely on some sort of faith in something that can never be proven.
We can never have ABSOLUTE proof of anything. I can not guarantee that im not dreaming or have a delusion of talking on DU right now. What we can have is reasonable proofs based on evidence and observations of how the world we perceive beyond us operates.
Thus the difference between the two faiths. One is based on evidence and a track record of achievements and the other is not.
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As God, I Have To Say That This Is Actually True, But None Of You Will Be Able to Comprehend Why
Skraxx
Mar 2014
#267
While it may be true that Hoyle coined the term "Big Bang" he did so derisively.
CBGLuthier
Mar 2014
#6
Judeo-Christianity hardly possesses a monopoly on 'big-bang' cosmology-as-theology
Cirque du So-What
Mar 2014
#11
Yeah, I just prepended the 'breaking news' in keeping with this weeks CNN-ism n/t
IDemo
Mar 2014
#24
I want to believe that our universe was a being from another universe's equivalent to a...
Humanist_Activist
Mar 2014
#39
If by "God" they mean Alan Guth's theory of hyperinflation, and Andrei Linde's theory of chaotic
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2014
#42
I agree. Basically it's cover, so they can disguise the fact that it's really a fundy Xtian agenda
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2014
#45
People more emotionally invested in getting you to affirm or deny a concept, than defining it
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2014
#46
Did God do it Himself or contract it out? If so, He should fire the contractors.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#47
After the "black hole ate MH370?" fiasco, I really thought this was going to be satire
muriel_volestrangler
Mar 2014
#55
both god and big bang rely on some sort of faith for they can never be proven beyond doubt
politicman
Mar 2014
#57
science has it immeasurable benefits but it is inacapable of answering the question
politicman
Mar 2014
#147
Does a prosecutor in a murder case have to kill the victim over again to "prove" murder?
Silent3
Mar 2014
#268
isnt that what religion is, believing in something higher than humans and human topics
politicman
Mar 2014
#63
Miracles may be human imgaination, but so is belieing that something just always existed.
politicman
Mar 2014
#93
doesnt matter the age of the universe, where did the original conditions for the universe come from.
politicman
Mar 2014
#107
please dont think I want you to believe or say what you are against, thats your perogative.
politicman
Mar 2014
#127
why is your faith in soemthing you cannot conceptaulize more valid than mine
politicman
Mar 2014
#223
can you have an explosion into nothing? doesnt there have to be something to have the explosion in?
politicman
Mar 2014
#69
gravity yes, something appear out of nowhere with no conditions for it to occur, no i dont believe
politicman
Mar 2014
#149
If you want to insult go ahead, just makes your inability to provide answers
politicman
Mar 2014
#158
exactly, bot ideas require faith, so why is anyone calling out the other for being wrong.
politicman
Mar 2014
#122
"unless you argue that something just always existed with no beginning what so ever."
NuclearDem
Mar 2014
#131
theories can apparently explain alot if they never are able to be tested, dont you think
politicman
Mar 2014
#217
a 'hot and dense entity' is still something, an entity is still something that needed a beginning
politicman
Mar 2014
#100
time and space AS WE KNOW IT started with the universe, are we not to ask what was before that
politicman
Mar 2014
#118
yes i don't believe in evoulition, its too convienient that nothing has evolved since
politicman
Mar 2014
#185
I lose nothing by believing in god, instead I might gain something if I am right
politicman
Mar 2014
#193
you may think reality is more inspiring, but I think a higher being is a lot more inspiring
politicman
Mar 2014
#198
yes we dont live in the dark ages, but we dont have the answers to all the questions either
politicman
Mar 2014
#202
sorry if a cannot accept evolutionw without a proper explanation of why other creatures did not also
politicman
Mar 2014
#206
If life evolves according to habitat, why did Mars not evolve its own life to live in its habitat
politicman
Mar 2014
#225
It's why DU is seriously changing, not necessarily for the better...as results show
TeamPooka
Mar 2014
#258
No. If god caused the big bang, you are still left with the problem of what caused god.
FarCenter
Mar 2014
#59
No. The static model was roundly rejected in the mid-20th century for the reasons I gave you.
NuclearDem
Mar 2014
#263
Of course it does. It also offers the same amount of proof of the non-existence of God. -nt
Liberal Veteran
Mar 2014
#94
The existence or non-existence of God makes not the slightest difference to the practice of science
eridani
Mar 2014
#188
On a recent expedition to the East Coast, I discovered the ancient seaport of Nantucket
Thor_MN
Mar 2014
#214
science does not fully predict what i do. therefore i am divine. nt
La Lioness Priyanka
Mar 2014
#249