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saras

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118. Following petty rules to a bizarre extreme, with no comprehension of a bigger picture, IS insanity.

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 06:16 PM

Mar 2012

What some persnickety detail of a heart transplant rule says is just not very important when you're talking about a mass murdering war criminal on the loose. Many societies thought bounty hunters sufficient justice. The United States currently has even lower standards if some official chooses to call you a "terrorist". By all rights, those standards (i.e. unmanned drones) are sufficient for Cheney and Rumsfeld. If you don't like the standard, then change it on a national level. But don't argue for his exemption because he was wealthy enough to follow some bureaucratic regulation somewhere.

By almost all of the world's rules, the guy deserves a death sentence or worse. I'm not that twisted a "saint" that I would expend any energy trying to help him while his victims are still suffering - that seems like an extremely stupid misuse of human resources.

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Cheney Followed the UNOS Rules. Stop the Insanity Please. [View all] K Gardner Mar 2012 OP

True, that. But I sure wouldn't want MY heart going to that creep mainer Mar 2012 #1

I know how you feel obey Mar 2012 #12

+1 LOL (nt) K Gardner Mar 2012 #15

It's not a question of him GETTING a new heart it's a question of who ISN'T getting one b/c of him. FarLeftFist Mar 2012 #83

He was on a waiting list like everyone else. Muskypundit Mar 2012 #165

This is one of DU's strengths trumping one of its weaknesses RZM Mar 2012 #2

Very good point! I join in your gratitude for the expertise of the OP. (n/t) Jim Lane Mar 2012 #116

It's difficult to be rational with this monster tech_smythe Mar 2012 #172

Uhhh . . . RZM Mar 2012 #173

Look at the cheney's career... tech_smythe Mar 2012 #206

I don't want to continue, because I don't feel like wasting the energy RZM Mar 2012 #208

I'll concede the point tech_smythe Mar 2012 #209

I don't think war criminals/war-profiteers deserve new hearts. Old and In the Way Mar 2012 #3

K&R... stonecutter357 Mar 2012 #54

recommended n/t ruggerson Mar 2012 #4

You of course are free to believe whatever you want to. Rex Mar 2012 #5

I have no problem with criminals being treated medically as humanely as anyone else. In fact I sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #6

+1 eShirl Mar 2012 #8

I do have a post in my Way Back Journal here about the need for K Gardner Mar 2012 #14

You made me think. Do I hate or not. rhett o rick Mar 2012 #7

I, too, would like to see him at the Hague. Agreed. nt K Gardner Mar 2012 #36

If Cheney were in prison where he belongs he wouldn't have been on that list. obxhead Mar 2012 #9

Actually, you are wrong nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #18

Prisoners may be able to receive heart transplants... PoliticAverse Mar 2012 #21

Correct. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #25

I stand corrected. obxhead Mar 2012 #29

We don't see those words often enough on DU. randome Mar 2012 #34

But how many have? Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author rtassi Mar 2012 #154

K&R - great post!! LiberalLoner Mar 2012 #10

Excellent post! K&R rustydog Mar 2012 #11

Nicely put. n/t greytdemocrat Mar 2012 #13

I am not a hater nor do I believe in capital punishment larkrake Mar 2012 #16

And exactly how do you explain this nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #20

71 years old is NOT average. he has never followed the law and never would larkrake Mar 2012 #150

Sorry buster but older people are now getting transplants nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #152

Then you need to provide proof that while waiting 20 months for a K Gardner Mar 2012 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Mar 2012 #55

he's still lucky tooeyeten Mar 2012 #17

I totally agree. And maybe he SHOULD be the poster boy for Universal K Gardner Mar 2012 #30

absolutely agree! n/t tooeyeten Mar 2012 #125

Thank you for a clarifying post. hedgehog Mar 2012 #19

And proximity nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #22

+1 - this is something very few understand about the UNOS lists. nt K Gardner Mar 2012 #28

Which means that a person with means, particularly COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #63

There is only one list. 'Local lists' and such are just part of the larger list. Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #79

There is one national list nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #91

And like you I am flabbergasted by the conspiracy theories. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #23

True, but the venting will die down here really fast. gulliver Mar 2012 #24

I think he is an enemy of humanity, maybe an actual human heart will improve TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #26

Hey!! greytdemocrat Mar 2012 #33

Excellent post and I agree. cbayer Mar 2012 #31

Model the civility you want to read, thanks. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #32

Bull. After the lies Cheney laid on Americans, he deserves NOTHING from America. He does not valerief Mar 2012 #35

Then you advocate Death Panels. And who will be the Decider on who lives K Gardner Mar 2012 #38

I see you are all for death pannels then. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #39

He should be in prison and have to wait in the prison queue. I'd personally rather see him dead. valerief Mar 2012 #47

Then you are for death PANNELS nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #48

What is a pannel? nt valerief Mar 2012 #50

Where you get to decide who is worthy of getting nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #52

I'm not going to be boxed into answering a question with terms framed by the RW. valerief Mar 2012 #56

Separate from medical care nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #57

Guess I'm a hater. I'm okay with that. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #37

That language was incendiary on my part, you're right. I removed it K Gardner Mar 2012 #40

Seems clear to me - We love death panels ... oldhippie Mar 2012 #41

+1. Perfectly stated. We end up validating their irrational fears. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #44

+1 (n/t) a2liberal Mar 2012 #72

Ok calm down everybody please! DippyDem Mar 2012 #42

THANK YOU. cali Mar 2012 #43

War criminals deserve prison. Period. James48 Mar 2012 #45

You can hold all the opinions you want about any person in the world - K Gardner Mar 2012 #49

Well thank goodness then that the OP didnt say they believed Cheney shouldnt be in prison then. cstanleytech Mar 2012 #67

Cheney should be incacerated as war criminal or for commiting treason but has never come to pass. gordianot Mar 2012 #46

"Should" is much different Mz Pip Mar 2012 #65

I Will Admit to Some Skepticism About How a "Donor" Was Obtained AndyTiedye Mar 2012 #51

The system is blind. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #53

Imported from China? n/t backscatter712 Mar 2012 #149

The oppressor within turns people into what they hate. nt patrice Mar 2012 #58

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #59

Many thanks. JohnnyLib2 Mar 2012 #60

Thanks, K Gardner. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #61

YW, JD. I agree I don't want to see Dems fall to the level of those K Gardner Mar 2012 #62

yes, we should continue to wish well on those trying to destroy us Doctor_J Mar 2012 #144

Are you an actual md? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #156

Sorry Doc Botany Mar 2012 #64

Bought one from China? Are those available for immediate transport? Wow. And if he were going to K Gardner Mar 2012 #68

Flight time woud not remain viable. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #73

Gullible much. If you think he did not pull any striongs you must not have paid attention to the... Logical Mar 2012 #66

So, per your "theory", he allowed himself to be placed on a mechanical K Gardner Mar 2012 #70

How do you know he had four months to live? Based on what? Logical Mar 2012 #75

The longest anyone has ever survived with an LVAD is two years. He'd K Gardner Mar 2012 #77

So others have went 24 months and not got a transplant?? Doesn;t that prove my point. Logical Mar 2012 #80

Hmm no. There are less organs than recipients nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #85

My point is the "match" part is how he got an advantage. You are gullible. Logical Mar 2012 #89

If gullible means understanding nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #92

I have enjoyed yours the last few weeks! Thanks! Logical Mar 2012 #97

I am sure you have nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #98

I am the least conspiracy person here. But thinking a former VP gets better chances, even if just... Logical Mar 2012 #100

Since the team got nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #103

LOL...ok. I guess I am wrong. Logical Mar 2012 #104

Yes, you are wrong nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #106

Justice is blind also? And Pharma studies? And FDA decisions? Wow, wish I lived in your world! Logical Mar 2012 #107

Your world is easier for you since it allows you to believe what you want onenote Mar 2012 #108

Answer my question. Double blind Pharma drug studies? You 100% trust them also? Logical Mar 2012 #109

I posted in the photography forum a photo nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #110

No, those are not. So quit trying to change the topic. No one else in the country... Logical Mar 2012 #111

According to NIH tey are far more regular nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #112

Not at all. I love your fantasy world. Must be easy to live in. Calm, no thinking required! Nice! Logical Mar 2012 #114

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dick-cheney-heart-transplant/story?id=15998479 K Gardner Mar 2012 #113

I have not doubt people are looking at this close. I hope they are not as naive as you. Logical Mar 2012 #115

May you never need to avail yourself of the same advanced nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #117

Routine if you can get one. That is what we are debating. Not the ease of doing it. get it?? Logical Mar 2012 #119

And you have the same chance nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #120

If you think the FDA has no flaws then work in big pharma a couple of decades. Eye opener. I wish... Logical Mar 2012 #122

They have problems nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #123

WTF is wrong with you? Please post the quote where I said anything close to that? I will wait. Logical Mar 2012 #124

You have been arguing with zero evidence nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #126

OK, then you lied about my FDA stand. Glad you admit it. Done with you. Dream away! Logical Mar 2012 #127

I admit nothing nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #128

No, I asked if you trusted every double blind study and every FDA decision. So you did lie. You... Logical Mar 2012 #129

Hilarious nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #131

I'll stop kicking your ass on this thread. You are taking a beating in plenty of others. Bye Bye!! Logical Mar 2012 #132

You are? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #133

Nadin..just ignore him. You know what you're talking about, he K Gardner Mar 2012 #138

You can be certain he had an advantage. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #200

Funniest post ever! Yeah, an ass got kicked on this thread, but it wasn't nadin's. 11 Bravo Mar 2012 #146

You know, you really should consider changing your DU Moniker. K Gardner Mar 2012 #93

Wow, that is clever! Logical Mar 2012 #95

You really should determine Aerows Mar 2012 #99

I'm writing in support of the Organ Transplant Association, UNOS.. not K Gardner Mar 2012 #101

Sorry but here we are just talking of a transplant system nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #102

Bravo. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #105

Damn! He was likely a few months away from death? Webster Green Mar 2012 #166

"The longest anyone has ever survived with an LVAD is two years" Contrary1 Mar 2012 #174

And how exactly did he pull strings nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #71

K&R (n/t) a2liberal Mar 2012 #69

He is a human, despite all appearances. Where's the compassion. Gregorian Mar 2012 #74

after reading this discussion i can see why it`s not left up to the moralist`s to decide.. madrchsod Mar 2012 #76

+1 K Gardner Mar 2012 #78

Thank you. Unfortunately, willful ignorance has become too common on DU onenote Mar 2012 #81

Cheney is an asshole Aerows Mar 2012 #82

No one said it was a victory. The post is simply refuting the bizarre K Gardner Mar 2012 #84

Cheney is likely the worst human being to walk the face of the earth Aerows Mar 2012 #87

Not to dredge up an even more ancient past, but Cheney availed himself coalition_unwilling Mar 2012 #141

Well grantcart Mar 2012 #86

Have to agree with your last line :-) K Gardner Mar 2012 #88

Yes Kharma can be a bitch, another technical question grantcart Mar 2012 #94

I admit that I am not knowledgeable about the transplant BlueMTexpat Mar 2012 #90

You're quoting from two hospitals websites and criteria. K Gardner Mar 2012 #96

Fine. I realize that there are different guidelines. And that's fine. BlueMTexpat Mar 2012 #203

Following petty rules to a bizarre extreme, with no comprehension of a bigger picture, IS insanity. saras Mar 2012 #118

Ethics fail nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #121

"By almost of the world's rules," one must be tried and convicted before sentence is passed. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #137

Besides Cheney might be nicer person now that he has heart! ;-) on point Mar 2012 #130

He, he himself, might carve the roast beast. eShirl Mar 2012 #135

Waste of a good heart secondvariety Mar 2012 #134

Yes! Love Your Captors, Don't Hate Them! mckara Mar 2012 #136

Prove to me the matching team nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #139

Another obvious case of someone not reading the post. K Gardner Mar 2012 #140

Look at Your Opening Statement... mckara Mar 2012 #205

So this war criminal followed the rules...for once... joeybee12 Mar 2012 #142

Heh. Using ABC (the All Bush Channel) for reference Doctor_J Mar 2012 #143

Another person who either didn't read the post or can't comprehend the content. K Gardner Mar 2012 #162

He may not have manipulated UNOS, JEB Mar 2012 #145

Sorry but as a former medical provider nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #153

If only JEB Mar 2012 #157

And that is where the irony comes with Dick nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #158

I do understand what you are saying and if I did not have to check my K Gardner Mar 2012 #164

Party pooper! progressoid Mar 2012 #147

I hope he got JEB Mar 2012 #148

LOL.. well, I'm with you on that one ! I don't think there is a statute of limitations on war crimes K Gardner Mar 2012 #159

None nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #161

K&R DeSwiss Mar 2012 #151

One of my all time favorite quotes. Thanks for posting it. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #160

There are lots of people in this thread nobodyspecial Mar 2012 #163

It's not my fault Cheney had a horrible heart. However, he was not a good man... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #167

This was an OP about how organ transplant lists work. Not about whether a person K Gardner Mar 2012 #168

I realize that. Regardless of the process (which sounds good on paper, but where there's $$$$, it Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #169

So let me get this right... 1620rock Mar 2012 #170

The Donald could travel internationally to a country where organ buying is perfectly legal. eShirl Mar 2012 #177

Do you actually think that anyone would arrest Cheney outside the US? Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #188

Yes, I do think Cheney would be subject to possible arrest outside the US. eShirl Mar 2012 #190

Granted, that was Switzerland Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #193

Thank you! snot Mar 2012 #171

Thank you to the OP for posting that information. I have to admit, the thought crossed my mind to IndyJones Mar 2012 #175

There's really nothing that isn't influenced by money. From getting a table at a restaurant is Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #196

I have a VERY HARD time believing that a man who Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #176

He would have to if he wanted the best medical experts in the US on his transplant team. eShirl Mar 2012 #178

You don't think that as a former *cough* vice president, Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #179

Of course he has access to the best medical experts. eShirl Mar 2012 #181

He has access to the best medical experts *without having to wait* Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #182

Forget Cheney's character, you are accusing his doctors of corruption. eShirl Mar 2012 #183

I made no such accusation Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #186

How exactly could he game the system with all other parties remaining innocent? eShirl Mar 2012 #187

He has gamed the system before Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #189

Yes, absolutely. eShirl Mar 2012 #191

And yet, no one paid for that crime Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #194

Correct. eShirl Mar 2012 #198

also, standing in a long line is EXACTLY what happened eShirl Mar 2012 #184

Amen Doctor_J Mar 2012 #192

And yet, he did. If you'll take the time to read the numerous articles that go back TWO YEARS K Gardner Mar 2012 #201

Fact - he did wait 20 months. emilyg Mar 2012 #204

You're pretty much on the same page as I am on this... MrMickeysMom Mar 2012 #180

As a gay man behrstar Mar 2012 #185

Yes, like it or not . . . Brigid Mar 2012 #195

There are few people I despise more cheneyschernobyl Mar 2012 #197

With friends like this, you get what you need. CrispyQ Mar 2012 #199

fuck dick cheney in his ear datasuspect Mar 2012 #202

I agree with you 100%- I have cared for both donors and recipients w8liftinglady Mar 2012 #207