Duty to retreat vs stand your ground and castle laws: Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater

[Major Nikon]

46. Your attempts at defending this very bad law are extremely weak

No they don't. The NAACP, Zimmerman's lawyer, the law's author and many others disagree with you. It's idiotic thinking to believe that that's what the law allows.

Did you no even bother to read the link I provided? The cases of so-called "justified" killings in Florida tripled since the law was passed and in the vast majority of cases where it is cited, the person killed wasn't armed. For anyone who looks at the statistics since the law passed, there can be little other conclusion that people are getting off without prosecution in cases with extremely weak self-defense arguments. If you want examples, I'll give you some.

No. If you ran and got cornered after your assailant had killed three other people, you wouldn't be prosecuted. But in many less extreme cases, if you don't run, you face charges, lawsuits, or imprisonment. Of course I'm not saying you'll be convicted 100% of the time, just that you face the possibility.

Actually that's exactly what you said, but what you're saying now is not much better. You're claiming that only in extremely obvious cases will you not be charged, and that's just not within a cab ride of reality. The number of egregious cases is extremely rare. Try coming up with one for a start, in Florida, and then you might have the beginnings of an argument. As yet your assertion is extremely weak and all but completely unsupported.

So you agree that it is right that any criminal can dismiss you from any public place simply by offering you violence, and that you should be required to retreat, every time, as long as you can do so safely?

We do disagree, then.

You're assuming that the person on the receiving end of deadly force is always a criminal, and that is an extremely piss poor assumption. The law is being used to defend those who shoot unarmed people in road rage incidents, bar fights, drunk people who knock on the wrong doors, and people getting shot just for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

So perhaps you think that making obviously false assumptions strengthens your argument, but quite the reverse is true.