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hatrack

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32. It's not that his actions so far are bad on climate per se . . .
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 12:06 PM
Mar 2014

Last edited Sun Mar 23, 2014, 01:17 PM - Edit history (1)

Especially fuel economy rules, and ULSD changes have substantially helped air quality, if not climate in a huge way.

A lot of the ARRA funding for alternative energy, especially in solar, and support for NREL and so on - again, all good stuff.

It's just that the scale of what he's done to date, and the scale of what needs to be done if we're going to have a reasonable chance of even blunting the worst climate impacts, are so far out of proportion to one another that it's not even funny.

We briefly broke 400 ppm CO2 last year, we're going to be above 400 this year for about six weeks, maybe longer, and by about 2016, 400 is going to be permanently in the rear-view mirror. That's what no one is talking about at the top, and that's why we get talk of "mass movements" with lots of photogenic young people, and speeches. And websites.

President Obama's best on this issue isn't nearly good enough for the reality of what we're facing - though to be fair, there isn't a single leader of an industrialized economy about whom you could say that it has been good enough. I mean, Tony Abbott? Stephen Harper? Shinzo Abe? The only one I can of who has at least started to move is Merkel, and she's a bit distracted at the moment.

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Here comes Liberal Hillary! MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #1
Not a fan? I like her taking bold steps on issues. It is what will cream the GOP. applegrove Mar 2014 #2
She'll talk a good game while campaigning dflprincess Mar 2014 #3
Really? pangaia Mar 2014 #51
A Walton family friend and TPP architect is going to save the environment? Earth_First Mar 2014 #4
Exactly, if she gets nominated, I stay home. Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #5
If you do not want to vote for her at least vote for Congress. We needs a full deck. jwirr Mar 2014 #10
There are other options. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #12
What a great view of politics!!! Beacool Mar 2014 #44
My are you patriotic! Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #50
Stay home regardless. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #57
That what scares me nt newfie11 Mar 2014 #6
Not bloody likely indeed. We may all have to hold our noses and vote in Nay Mar 2014 #7
+1 XemaSab Mar 2014 #24
I feel exactly that way! lunatica Mar 2014 #38
+ !,000,000,000,000,000 pangaia Mar 2014 #53
+1 octoberlib Mar 2014 #63
I WANT to believe this but Clinton does not inspire me with confidence on anything. randome Mar 2014 #8
The biggest change we could make today to address the creation of greenhouse gasses Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #9
Tiny? Not according to UN_CarbonMechs vetted "ClimaLoop Infographic: CO2 emissions by country." proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #47
Maybe you haven't seen the pollution in china. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #48
Just a bunch of jargon to me but the source is the official verified Twitter acct 'UN_CarbonMechs' proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #58
More. proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #62
Okay she put a title on her paper. Now fill in the essay. What are you going to do about climate jwirr Mar 2014 #11
Oh, but don't you get it? Leaders expect the peons to get out into the Nay Mar 2014 #27
And then they do not listen to us anyhow. No end to this game. jwirr Mar 2014 #34
Yes, that's the endgame. No matter how many people come out to protest Nay Mar 2014 #37
That's an interesting thought. Thanks for that. Throd Mar 2014 #59
That's nice - "mass" in this sense meaning "Not me", Mrs. Clinton? hatrack Mar 2014 #13
That's exactly what I got out of it Aerows Mar 2014 #16
And of course, we all remember how 350.org's mass actions stopped Keystone XL . . . hatrack Mar 2014 #17
Here's my theory, and it's been a while since I floated it XemaSab Mar 2014 #26
Yup, jut like republicans and abortion tularetom Mar 2014 #39
What a reveal! How daring of her to speak of that! Whisp Mar 2014 #14
Let's just say I have my doubts about her sincerity IDemo Mar 2014 #15
I'd like a 'mass movement' away from anything Clinton. L0oniX Mar 2014 #18
count me in.. pangaia Mar 2014 #54
I expect a lot of talk about the environment in 2016. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #19
A lot of talk, and not much more, would be my take hatrack Mar 2014 #22
I wish I could believe it nt G_j Mar 2014 #20
Why ProSense Mar 2014 #21
A speech, another speech and a website hatrack Mar 2014 #23
Well, ProSense Mar 2014 #28
It's not that his actions so far are bad on climate per se . . . hatrack Mar 2014 #32
What's interesting ProSense Mar 2014 #29
Yeah. Okay. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #25
and you are already railing against her and she's not even the nominee yet... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #31
OUCH! That'll leave a mark! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #30
Like Obama? mmonk Mar 2014 #33
Has she publically condemned Keystone XL yet? NickB79 Mar 2014 #35
I just wanted to chime in and thank you for calling her Clinton instead of Hillary. Iggo Mar 2014 #36
She's floating her talking points and issues to see what sticks and what doesn't lunatica Mar 2014 #40
Hillary Clinton is ONE-HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT... cheapdate Mar 2014 #41
Your problem is that the mass ecological movement has already occurred. In the Nay Mar 2014 #42
The 1970s were forty years ago. cheapdate Mar 2014 #43
The responses around here are so predictable. Beacool Mar 2014 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Mar 2014 #52
Whoooh.. I just read this as "Clinton wants (to take a giant dump) on climate change." PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #46
She seems to be floating a bunch of balloons lately. polichick Mar 2014 #49
Glad to see her speaking out against fracking and the XL Pipeline...oh, wait. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #55
She "hopes there will be a mass movement that demands political change." Iggo Mar 2014 #56
It's exactly like that, and will have the same effect. nt Nay Mar 2014 #61
If Hillary is elected POTUS, I really hope she pushes hard on climate change steve2470 Mar 2014 #60
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