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42. Your problem is that the mass ecological movement has already occurred. In the
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 01:14 PM
Mar 2014

1970's. The people definitely did not want rivers that caught on fire, Love Canal, etc. Since then, several positive things have happened as a result -- there was some cleanup, kids learn about the ecology and celebrate Earth Day every April 22, some corporations have adopted sustainable practices (only if it saved them money, tho).

Your idea that we have to keep reminding politicians that we don't want to live in a degraded environment is specious. They know that. What they are trying to do is push an emotional hot button to get a vote without having to actually do anything hard like, you know, stopping corporations from trashing the planet, speaking up against destructive pipelines and TPP, etc.

Clinton has not, to my knowledge, shown one iota of interest in or support of major environmental issues or actions. Did she endorse Gore's movie, host showings, and put her money behind his effort? Not to my knowledge. Nor did she listen to the MASS MOVEMENT that told her the Iraq War was unwanted and that the evidence for the war was fake. She supports projects and laws that will ensure we go full speed ahead into further environmental degradation because she is truly beholden to the corporations that give her money. She is so late to this 45-yr-old party that cynicism is the only reasonable reaction.

I won't even get into my diatribe about how leaders should effin' lead, and stop waiting for some vague quota of people to get out into the street to "make them do it." Just do what's right, especially if the cost of doing nothing is so high.

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Here comes Liberal Hillary! MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #1
Not a fan? I like her taking bold steps on issues. It is what will cream the GOP. applegrove Mar 2014 #2
She'll talk a good game while campaigning dflprincess Mar 2014 #3
Really? pangaia Mar 2014 #51
A Walton family friend and TPP architect is going to save the environment? Earth_First Mar 2014 #4
Exactly, if she gets nominated, I stay home. Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #5
If you do not want to vote for her at least vote for Congress. We needs a full deck. jwirr Mar 2014 #10
There are other options. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #12
What a great view of politics!!! Beacool Mar 2014 #44
My are you patriotic! Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #50
Stay home regardless. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #57
That what scares me nt newfie11 Mar 2014 #6
Not bloody likely indeed. We may all have to hold our noses and vote in Nay Mar 2014 #7
+1 XemaSab Mar 2014 #24
I feel exactly that way! lunatica Mar 2014 #38
+ !,000,000,000,000,000 pangaia Mar 2014 #53
+1 octoberlib Mar 2014 #63
I WANT to believe this but Clinton does not inspire me with confidence on anything. randome Mar 2014 #8
The biggest change we could make today to address the creation of greenhouse gasses Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #9
Tiny? Not according to UN_CarbonMechs vetted "ClimaLoop Infographic: CO2 emissions by country." proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #47
Maybe you haven't seen the pollution in china. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #48
Just a bunch of jargon to me but the source is the official verified Twitter acct 'UN_CarbonMechs' proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #58
More. proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #62
Okay she put a title on her paper. Now fill in the essay. What are you going to do about climate jwirr Mar 2014 #11
Oh, but don't you get it? Leaders expect the peons to get out into the Nay Mar 2014 #27
And then they do not listen to us anyhow. No end to this game. jwirr Mar 2014 #34
Yes, that's the endgame. No matter how many people come out to protest Nay Mar 2014 #37
That's an interesting thought. Thanks for that. Throd Mar 2014 #59
That's nice - "mass" in this sense meaning "Not me", Mrs. Clinton? hatrack Mar 2014 #13
That's exactly what I got out of it Aerows Mar 2014 #16
And of course, we all remember how 350.org's mass actions stopped Keystone XL . . . hatrack Mar 2014 #17
Here's my theory, and it's been a while since I floated it XemaSab Mar 2014 #26
Yup, jut like republicans and abortion tularetom Mar 2014 #39
What a reveal! How daring of her to speak of that! Whisp Mar 2014 #14
Let's just say I have my doubts about her sincerity IDemo Mar 2014 #15
I'd like a 'mass movement' away from anything Clinton. L0oniX Mar 2014 #18
count me in.. pangaia Mar 2014 #54
I expect a lot of talk about the environment in 2016. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #19
A lot of talk, and not much more, would be my take hatrack Mar 2014 #22
I wish I could believe it nt G_j Mar 2014 #20
Why ProSense Mar 2014 #21
A speech, another speech and a website hatrack Mar 2014 #23
Well, ProSense Mar 2014 #28
It's not that his actions so far are bad on climate per se . . . hatrack Mar 2014 #32
What's interesting ProSense Mar 2014 #29
Yeah. Okay. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #25
and you are already railing against her and she's not even the nominee yet... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #31
OUCH! That'll leave a mark! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #30
Like Obama? mmonk Mar 2014 #33
Has she publically condemned Keystone XL yet? NickB79 Mar 2014 #35
I just wanted to chime in and thank you for calling her Clinton instead of Hillary. Iggo Mar 2014 #36
She's floating her talking points and issues to see what sticks and what doesn't lunatica Mar 2014 #40
Hillary Clinton is ONE-HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT... cheapdate Mar 2014 #41
Your problem is that the mass ecological movement has already occurred. In the Nay Mar 2014 #42
The 1970s were forty years ago. cheapdate Mar 2014 #43
The responses around here are so predictable. Beacool Mar 2014 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Mar 2014 #52
Whoooh.. I just read this as "Clinton wants (to take a giant dump) on climate change." PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #46
She seems to be floating a bunch of balloons lately. polichick Mar 2014 #49
Glad to see her speaking out against fracking and the XL Pipeline...oh, wait. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #55
She "hopes there will be a mass movement that demands political change." Iggo Mar 2014 #56
It's exactly like that, and will have the same effect. nt Nay Mar 2014 #61
If Hillary is elected POTUS, I really hope she pushes hard on climate change steve2470 Mar 2014 #60
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