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TheKentuckian

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72. I don't agree with Medicare as our model. The entire urge to do so is about marketing

Sun Mar 23, 2014, 02:04 PM

Mar 2014

and piggybacking on a popular program but structurally and coverage wise it isn't at all what we need.

I get the attraction of the easy pitch but what ends up pitched is 80/20 with a boondoggle of a drug plan and no out of pocket limit. I don't think that is really the goal.

I'm more a Community Health/VA/Tricare for all model if we must go off of something already in place and I do mean a really uniquely American system that would allow a choice to use public services or utilize single payer insurance (perhaps with copays) to pay for private care. Essentially setting up a semi - competitive system to keep public and private producers honest and effective, maintaining choice while eliminating a parasitic industry and loosening the grip of for profit providers somewhat.

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The public option: how many of us remember when and why it died? [View all] pnwmom Mar 2014 OP

I may be wrong, but Obama made them hold off on a vote boston bean Mar 2014 #1

That wouldn't change anything. They ALREADY lacked the numbers to overcome pnwmom Mar 2014 #5

as noted below, Kennedy's replacement gave them the sixtieth vote. boston bean Mar 2014 #14

But the law could not proceed as just a "Senate bill" BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #16

Did the house version include a public option? boston bean Mar 2014 #19

By then no, it was too late. BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #21

I can't remember all the nuances, but I do clearly remember a vote boston bean Mar 2014 #23

There were 2 votes from the House BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #30

I got to leave the house. And haven't had a chance to read boston bean Mar 2014 #34

Okay BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #37

Excellent recap. It was too complicated for my brain to comprehend back then, but your Stardust Mar 2014 #56

They pulled out every trick in the book BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #68

The final Senate bill became the nuclear option "Reconciliation" version BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #9

The ACA was passed in the Senate at Christmas 2009. House of Roberts Mar 2014 #10

This is correct. My recollection is there was the lame "Elections have consequences" line was thrown TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #39

The budget reconciliation was also used for taxes and increasing subsidies. pnwmom Mar 2014 #102

That is what I said though I didn't mention subsidies but did use the kickback. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #121

Yes, which didn't give the House time to pass the bill. pnwmom Mar 2014 #101

Wasn't if Joe Liebermann who killed the public option? Zambero Mar 2014 #13

Lieberman, Baucus, Landrieu, Lincoln BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #20

Yes, Joe had ample help in killing the public option Zambero Mar 2014 #28

Lieberman became anti-Democratic establishment BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #36

I am loving your posts in this thread. My God, it is wonderful to read from someone who has Number23 Mar 2014 #110

I was following the hearings and the various iterations of the legislation BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #115

And yet he was rewarded by Dems. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #79

YES - but he had that power because of Kennedy's death. pnwmom Mar 2014 #103

When did the Constitution change from majority rule to super-majority rule? I missed that. Scuba Mar 2014 #2

It changed when they adopted the filibuster decades earlier. pnwmom Mar 2014 #6

No it changed when they adopted the rule zeemike Mar 2014 #47

Just read Article I of the Constitution BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #12

So what's your point? That the Senate makes it's own rules? And can dump rhett o rick Mar 2014 #74

I absolutely don't disagree BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #85

I had to try to guess your point and apparently I got it wrong. So a second try rhett o rick Mar 2014 #107

"And by the way, no one here says it's all Obama's fault" BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #114

The Senate Filibuster goes back to 1806, and is Constitutional under Article I Section 5 Agnosticsherbet Mar 2014 #17

The Democrats HANDED that seat to Brown leftstreet Mar 2014 #3

He didn't squander anything. He's gotten a lot done. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #7

But your OP asserts his hands have been tied leftstreet Mar 2014 #8

One wishes that were true Zambero Mar 2014 #22

Oh please. The Democrats created the 'tea party' leftstreet Mar 2014 #29

He passed the first national healthcare bill in our history, not bad spending of capital. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2014 #24

No, that was Medicare. ACA is a for-profit bill n/t leftstreet Mar 2014 #27

Medicare was not a national healthcare bill. It was Seniors only. The ACA remains the first Agnosticsherbet Mar 2014 #32

IT. WAS. NON PROFIT. n/t leftstreet Mar 2014 #33

WHICH. MEANS. EXACTLY. NOTHING. PROFIT. OR. NON-PROFIT. IS. IRRELEVANT. IN. NATIONAL Agnosticsherbet Mar 2014 #35

Nobody forced those voters to treestar Mar 2014 #76

I also blame the strutting Baucus and power-drunk Lieberman BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #4

That scenario was necessary because Reid didn't reform the filibuster. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2014 #11

I must have missed these brooklynboy49 Mar 2014 #15

Interesting how he managed to move the ball on it BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #25

Not so surprising to me. zeemike Mar 2014 #57

OfCourseHesbetterthanMcCainorRomney... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #46

When did Obama campaign on single-payer? Why are you blaming him for not pnwmom Mar 2014 #104

Honestly, Barack Obama is my FDR.... Walk away Mar 2014 #18

Maybe we can win both house in November? Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2014 #26

So where on your timeline is the time the leader of the party picked up the phone BrotherIvan Mar 2014 #31

The M$M focused on the "sausage-making" of how a bill becomes a law BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #38

The same one filled out for a Social Security card should work. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #41

I agree BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #53

I don't agree with Medicare as our model. The entire urge to do so is about marketing TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #72

The push for "Medicare for All" BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #89

I believe the eye rolling comes from the fact that while those bullet points are good BrotherIvan Mar 2014 #49

I and many others on DU agree that "insurance" is out FOR PROFIT BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #61

As I said, most people hate their insurance company BrotherIvan Mar 2014 #73

"They didn't even mention the word. " BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #92

No No No, you got it all wrong... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #52

A simple phrase Doctor_J Mar 2014 #129

And then there's this version of the story: polichick Mar 2014 #40

And yet ProSense Mar 2014 #42

A WH deal early on explains the lack of support - and the WH going after... polichick Mar 2014 #44

Nonsense. The reality simply counters that. ProSense Mar 2014 #51

Well, I'm not surprised you would see it that way. polichick Mar 2014 #54

Unfortunately we were right there during the reality. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #81

BS. ProSense Mar 2014 #83

And who is handling Medicaid payouts now? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #91

What the hell are you talking about? Your claim about the law was wrong. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #93

I asked a question, no need to get angry over it. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #106

This fairy tale rewriting of history won't work BrotherIvan Mar 2014 #60

Read this BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #65

To date there is no evidence that the ACA has "insured millions of Americans former9thward Mar 2014 #43

There are ProSense Mar 2014 #55

48 Million Americans Remain Uninsured, Census Bureau Reports former9thward Mar 2014 #94

You're posting a the 2012 census to show that the 2014 law isn't helping millions? n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #98

I am posting hard numbers not guesses and estimates. former9thward Mar 2014 #109

Hard numbers from before the ACA don't really say anything gollygee Mar 2014 #127

Those are the only numbers that exist. former9thward Mar 2014 #133

Dems protect Republicans from their own ineptitude. JayhawkSD Mar 2014 #45

Not even ProSense Mar 2014 #48

Don't forget Joe Lieberman who vowed to JaneyVee Mar 2014 #50

Thank you Hekate Mar 2014 #58

The irony is... FreeJoe Mar 2014 #59

Don't forget Max Baucus, a Democrat, firmly in the pocket of the for profit health care Cleita Mar 2014 #62

You have the correct answer for why the 'public option died..... dmosh42 Mar 2014 #80

The public option was never real rocktivity Mar 2014 #63

My recollection is that the public option was taken off SheilaT Mar 2014 #64

Read the links at post #60 BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #70

Didn't you guys tell us Obama never wanted the Public Option? Isn't there video? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #66

This is where I get so angry at the deterioration of our 'representative' government NCcoast Mar 2014 #67

How to strengthen Obamacare, courtesy of the Progessive Caucus. ProSense Mar 2014 #69

Truth doesn't matter, we gotta blame it on Obama. Hoyt Mar 2014 #71

Very ironic since it was Teddy's issue treestar Mar 2014 #75

That doesn't prevent Democratic candidates from campaigning on Medicare for All. Loudly Mar 2014 #77

I remember, two days after that I went to the USPS and re-registered as an Independent nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #78

thin sauce.... mike_c Mar 2014 #82

This should be an original post. Cleita Mar 2014 #84

Simply nonsense. ProSense Mar 2014 #86

+1 leftstreet Mar 2014 #100

"It isn't hard. It certainly isn't impossible." The hard part seems to be... polichick Mar 2014 #105

Exactly right. We can see it right here. cui bono Mar 2014 #119

I'm always surprised when I'm reminded of how... idendoit Mar 2014 #87

I think it died on election day 2008. Candidate Obama said he would not Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #88

That's ProSense Mar 2014 #90

The public option sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #95

the public option died backwoodsbob Mar 2014 #96

It was crystal clear to me by the Reid, Pelosi, and POTUS tap dance number that they had no GoneFishin Mar 2014 #97

Ding ding ding... we have a winner NCcoast Mar 2014 #113

Agreed. nt Damansarajaya Mar 2014 #117

Thank you very much for this. cheapdate Mar 2014 #99

The increase in attacks on the ACA are due to the 3/31 date approaching. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #108

+1,000. And the ACA provides the option for it. VT is doing it, PBO or ACA isn't stopping anyone. freshwest Mar 2014 #118

I'm surprised you still haven't edited your OP Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #111

I did. Did you read the WIKI article? n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #112

Interesting. It still says, Kennedy died Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #126

Pres. Obama could have taken the fight right to the American people. Damansarajaya Mar 2014 #116

That's what should have happened Doctor_J Mar 2014 #131

"it was too late" cui bono Mar 2014 #120

Cool story bro... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #122

Thank you for this detailed report on the timeline, pnwmom.. Cha Mar 2014 #123

I am aware that post #124 on a thread gets about 3 views. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #124

We only needed Lieberman. You can't tell me there was nothing we could offered him that would have grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #125

The campaign promise was a lie. Lots of good posts in this thread Doctor_J Mar 2014 #128

Nth dimensional chess Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #130

Given that the President didn't even try to fight for the public option, Vattel Mar 2014 #132