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In reply to the discussion: As A Former Law Enforcement Officer, My Impressions Of The Martin Case. [View all]MD20
(123 posts)96. One quote from your premise still bothers me!
Last edited Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:24 PM - Edit history (1)
As I said before, your assessment of the less than fully disclosed events is agreeable. I might add that the bulk your analysis was expertly done.
Yet, the nagging pangs of doubt arose when I saw that you started your 4th paragraph with this:
"We do have to say Zimmeramn had the right to have the gun under the law. He even had the right to pursue Trayvon and ask him what he was up to. Bad judgement, but not illegal."
To me, that statement is troubling because it embodies the premise that Zimmerman 's
right to be suspicious of Martin somehow coalesced into the authority or , as you put it,, the right to harass Martin by following him, apparently at a close enough distance to make Martin nervous. But you didn't stop there, did you? Without citing any references you unilaterally embrace all of the moves made by Zimmerman that led to this tragedy in the first place. Indeed, saying Zimmerman had the right to pursue Trayvon and ask him what he was up to is disingenuous.
MY POINT: if Zimmerman was following Martin so close that he could see the lint on his hoodie, that is undue harassment. Following from a safe distance, say a couple of hundred feet , would not be so obvious and iMHO would be more acceptable.
We know "following" placed Zimmerman in close proximity to Martin. You seem to support the notion that it was ok for Zimmerman to escalate his harassing episode by asking the victim questions. If it were Snoop Dog instead of Martin, I imagine the silence in the neighborhood would have been punctuated with multiple shots...all into the body of the stalker, Zimmerman. Snoop, though, would have been arrested and hauled off to jail.
The Stand Your Ground Law wasn't written for Black folks who shoot white people, was it? Fear of blacks was the reason for such a law in the first place. So let us not pretend otherwise. While your global assessment is commendable, that one little excerp that I dared to address sums up the reality that prevades, not just the Twin Lakes community and Sanford, but the entire nation as a whole! Like it or not, that is just the way it is...for now!
DEFINITIONS:http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stalking?show=0&t=1332728292
http://www.esia.net/State_Stalking_Laws.htm
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As A Former Law Enforcement Officer, My Impressions Of The Martin Case. [View all]
RBInMaine
Mar 2012
OP
Well, maybe not that sloppy, but it looks pretty damn sloppy nontheless. I hear ya.
RBInMaine
Mar 2012
#4
I'm with you. I seriously hope and pray that the Justice Department launches a full-fledged
coalition_unwilling
Mar 2012
#79
One thing: Zimmerman was not affiliated with any official Neighborhood Watch program.
baldguy
Mar 2012
#2
Just going on the reports I heard on the media that he was the Watch Captain. Still,
RBInMaine
Mar 2012
#3
RB, I was listening to an interview with one of the founding members of the Neighborhood
Ecumenist
Mar 2012
#7
OK Thanks. Well, ego-stroking and power-hunger intentions certainly. Very bad judgement and for
RBInMaine
Mar 2012
#8
I've set up neighborhood watch's for my dept. at no time was anyone allowed to patrol alone
Historic NY
Mar 2012
#111
Zimmerman wasn't affiliated with the official Neighborhood Watch but his HOA approved of his patrols
yardwork
Mar 2012
#86
THANK YOU RBInMAaine, Thank you so much! I am so delighted and pleased to hear the word
Ecumenist
Mar 2012
#5
Thanks. Many questions to clear up, but these are my impressions based on what I have heard and
RBInMaine
Mar 2012
#9
Well, I just heard that the family is going to do just that- sue the HOA of the
Ecumenist
Mar 2012
#17
Thank you for your educated opinion. It certainly matches my (totally uninformed!) opinion!
MindandSoul
Mar 2012
#6
Do you have a link to an article or video of this witness who claims that he saw Trayvon on top?
yardwork
Mar 2012
#87
Link? I've read articles that say they have a case, but none that say they will sue.
yardwork
Mar 2012
#133
No, that is not "stalking." Stalking is the REPEATED following of someone with an intent to
RBInMaine
Mar 2012
#26
Well, since RB didn't give a reference, how are we to critique his analysis properly?
MD20
Mar 2012
#100
The legal definition of "repeatedly" can occur within minutes under Floridia law.
MD20
Mar 2012
#115
I think you pretty much have it right. To follow at a distance, watch, and even ask
RBInMaine
Mar 2012
#28
Zimmerman did have the right to move around the area and even follow at a distance for at least
RBInMaine
Mar 2012
#27
Since Zimmerman's hobby was to call the police and because of the way he responded
EFerrari
Mar 2012
#40
I am placing blame for this incident on Zimmerman. What aren't you seeing here? Like it or not,
RBInMaine
Mar 2012
#29
So here is what I don't understand. The police say they don't have enough evidence to
IndyJones
Mar 2012
#23
Absolutely. Good detectives should have been immediately called in with a VERY thorough
RBInMaine
Mar 2012
#31
The 911 tapes and witnesses still provide strong evidence of very bad judgement and
RBInMaine
Mar 2012
#30
Your assertion that "he pursued Trayvon so Stand Your Ground does not apply" is mistaken.
Warren Stupidity
Mar 2012
#34
Imo, Zimmerman may get off but the police department will eat it in civil court.
EFerrari
Mar 2012
#41
Yes sure, however SYG makes it more difficult to prosecute vigilantes.
Warren Stupidity
Mar 2012
#57
*sigh* Had the law been different, do you think the Sanford PD would be any more inclined..
X_Digger
Mar 2012
#62
yeah under the prior common self defense standard they would have very likely had to arrest him
Warren Stupidity
Mar 2012
#64
A correction, they did not take 72 hours to inform the family. That was the initial media report
sabrina 1
Mar 2012
#51
"He even had the right to pursue Trayvon and ask him what he was up to"
Old and In the Way
Mar 2012
#45
I wonder if the gated community was private property? If so, then a homeowner...
Honeycombe8
Mar 2012
#120
Thanks. Though I have to wonder how profusely he was bleeding from the nose.
snagglepuss
Mar 2012
#69
Interesting insights - there's no way Zimmerman should be allowed to get off scot free.
Initech
Mar 2012
#80
I have maintained all along that at the very least there must be a case for "reckless homicide", or
spicegal
Mar 2012
#82
Emphatic K&R. How do you explain the cops' bungling? Personally, I think
coalition_unwilling
Mar 2012
#83