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Bernardo de La Paz

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96. Duh. Read up on the Arab Spring revolution and how it happened before "Nato" got involved. nt

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 06:28 AM

Mar 2014

Also, it was a UN Security Council Resolution for a no-fly zone based on an earlier resolution against the Gadaffi regime's brutal putdown of the Arab Spring and referring his regime to the International Criminal Court. There were many more countries involved than just Nato.

It wasn't a war on Libya. It was a war on Gadaffi's dictatorship.

Yes, revolutions are messy. In the US Revolution in a less global age, France played a role. The French Revolution was messy.

Are you going to argue that Gadaffi was a good guy? I hope not.

My point is that peaceful overthrows of regimes are rare, and the results of revolutions are "failed states" for a few years while things stabilize. The USA was a "failed state" by many measures for a few years during and after the revolution.

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