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Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 04:05 PM Mar 2014

On the Estate Tax [View all]

I was in a "debate" with someone on Reddit regarding the Estate Tax. His question was the standard reactionary one: The income is already taxed and "why should I have to pay for the takers." You know, the ignorant tripe that doesn't require critical thinking skills.

So, I thought I'd share my response for those who are interested. It doesn't affect nearly the amount of population that the reactionaries would have you believe. I mean, if you believed their arguments, you'd think the end of civilization is nigh!

My response:

To prevent a disproportionate accumulation of wealth and economic royalty. And estate taxes only tax above a certain amount. It's not like everyone who receives an inheritance has to pay taxes on them.

As noted above, a certain amount of each estate is exempted from taxation by the law. Below is a table of the amount of exemption by year an estate would expect. Estates above these amounts would be subject to estate tax, but only for the amount above the exemption. For example, assume an estate of $3.5 million in 2006. There are two beneficiaries who will each receive equal shares of the estate. The maximum allowable credit is $2 million for that year, so the taxable value is therefore $1.5 million. Since it is 2006, the tax rate on that $1.5 million is 46%, so the total taxes paid would be $690,000. Each beneficiary will receive $1,000,000 of untaxed inheritance and $405,000 from the taxable portion of their inheritance for a total of $1,405,000. This means the estate would have paid a taxable rate of 19.7%. As shown, the 2001 tax act would have repealed the estate tax for one year (2010) and would then have readjusted it in 2011 to the year 2002 exemption level with a 2001 top rate. That is, had no further legislation been passed, the estate of a person who deceased in the year 2010 would have been entirely exempt from tax while that of a person who deceased in the year 2011 or later would have been taxed as heavily as in 2001. However, on December 17, 2010, Congress passed the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010. Section 301 of the 2010 Act reinstated the federal estate tax. The new law set the exemption for U.S. citizens and residents at $5 million per person,[26] and it provided a top tax rate of 35 percent for the years 2011 and 2012.[27] On January 1, 2013, the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012 was passed which permanently establishes an exemption of $5 million (as 2011 basis with inflation adjustment) per person for U.S. citizens and residents, with a maximum tax rate of 40% for the year 2013 and beyond.[28] The permanence of this regulation is not ensured: the fiscal year 2014 budget called for lowering the estate tax exclusion, the generation-skipping transfer tax and the gift-tax exemption back to levels of 2009 as of the year 2018.[29]


So, currently, only those inheriting $5.25 million or more are taxed, and only for the amount above the exclusion amount. If I recall correctly, this only affects ~0.3%* of the total population.

*This figure for 2014 is probably even lower since Congress raised the exclusion amount.

Wikipedia: Estate Tax in the United States

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On the Estate Tax [View all] Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 OP
Its a Millionaire's Tax Stallion Mar 2014 #1
Yep, so even less of the total population. ;) Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #2
Time to set up a trust. badtoworse Mar 2014 #3
That gets your estate away from probate Warpy Mar 2014 #5
Sounds like a trust is the way to go badtoworse Mar 2014 #7
Well, you're dead, you're paying no taxes Warpy Mar 2014 #10
I understand all that. badtoworse Mar 2014 #12
If they use infrustracture ... Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #14
They're already paying their own taxes, so they're covering their share. badtoworse Mar 2014 #16
and when your money becomes their (unearned) money whatthehey Mar 2014 #18
Excellent point! A HERETIC I AM Mar 2014 #20
Earned income is one thing, estate tax is a different matter. badtoworse Mar 2014 #22
Are you planning on passing 5.25 million to your heirs? Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #30
My heirs should be well taken care of. badtoworse Mar 2014 #32
And that you don't want to give back to society which made it possible for you ... Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #45
I give back plenty already. There is a point at which you've given back enough. badtoworse Mar 2014 #50
And your heirs need to give back enough too, especially enough of unearned income. whatthehey Mar 2014 #53
I pay at least a couple of families worth in income tax and have for quite a while. badtoworse Mar 2014 #56
Financial sevices are a leech PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #54
I think those same standards call for civil discourse. badtoworse Mar 2014 #57
No insults at all. Just truth. n/t PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #59
Yes earned income is one thing. UNearned is indeed another whatthehey Mar 2014 #52
I oppose estate taxes on principle. badtoworse Mar 2014 #55
All right; we have your vote gratuitous Mar 2014 #15
Rest assured, whatever they pay will be the minimum possible. badtoworse Mar 2014 #17
Amen MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #43
They won't pay anything unless it's over 5.25 million dollars. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #46
but you have NOT already been taxed on it hfojvt Mar 2014 #37
I don't have a problem with capital gains tax badtoworse Mar 2014 #38
but the capital gain is NOT taxed hfojvt Mar 2014 #39
Let him inherit the basis. badtoworse Mar 2014 #40
And some of the deceased property has never been taxed... IphengeniaBlumgarten Mar 2014 #25
Well, it is if it goes over the total untaxed dollar amount Warpy Mar 2014 #28
OK, agreed IphengeniaBlumgarten Mar 2014 #29
OK, we have a trust. It doesn't really protect heirs from taxes. mainer Mar 2014 #24
The really wealthy launder their money to their offspring House of Roberts Mar 2014 #4
Do you have any examples of this? A HERETIC I AM Mar 2014 #21
A lot of people whose estate would be subject to pipoman Mar 2014 #31
If the life insurance premiums were paid by the deceased mainer Mar 2014 #33
As i remember there was a minimum estate value before it made sense. . pipoman Mar 2014 #44
It's 14K per year per child now. Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #48
Right, I'm behind a year! mainer Mar 2014 #49
First of all, money gets taxed multiple times SheilaT Mar 2014 #6
I do not know why Republicans are against estate taxes PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #8
My argument is simpler: I don't care if Paris Hilton inherits enough money to live in splendor .... Scuba Mar 2014 #9
Absolutely. After the last 40 years of governments hostile to working people Warpy Mar 2014 #11
This tax only affects the larger estates Gothmog Mar 2014 #13
It's easier than that. Money isn't taxed. People are taxed. eallen Mar 2014 #19
Not to mention, it's not the governments responsibility to set up dynasties TexasBushwhacker Mar 2014 #23
You buy insurance for that tax. Turbineguy Mar 2014 #26
As I mentioned above, life insurance payouts are part of the estate mainer Mar 2014 #36
Here's the rebuttal to your "solution" mainer Mar 2014 #41
My idea was based on not dumping a business or farm in order to pay taxes. Turbineguy Mar 2014 #42
They should just change the rules of baseball, football, and basketball. gulliver Mar 2014 #27
I wasn't aware that Bill Gates had paid income tax on his 50 billion already. n2doc Mar 2014 #34
Excellent post, thanks for sharing this! JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #35
You bet! Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #47
Money hidden on various foreign islands/countries hasn't been taxed. Frustratedlady Mar 2014 #51
I was reading the OP... Bigmack Mar 2014 #58
Yes, unfortunately, that is part of the problem. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2014 #60
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